Friday, January 17, 2025

MARK OF THE BEAST!!!

MARK  OF  THE  BEAST !!


From  the  "Bible  Advocate"    publication  of  the  Seventh  Day  Church  of  God,  Denver,  CO.  USA   Nov/Dec. 2014


Question


In   Revelation 13:16-18, is John warning against taking microchips into our hand or body? Is that the mark of the beast?


The theme of worship is the background of Revelation 13. Worship is specifically mentioned five times and directed to both the dragon and the beast. The two-horned beast of verse 11ff uses different methods to enforce worship of the first beast: deceive people with impressive miracles, confer death upon the non-compliant, and limit buying and selling to those who would comply.


Many nations in history, including Babylon (Daniel 3), have issued decrees on worship. Financial pressure and the death penalty have often been used for leverage. Worship has not been part of modern talk about microchips for business transactions. If they are used, microchips will not likely be the only option. Business tries to increase the ways to pay a bill, not make it harder. Microchips fit the same category as Social Security cards and bar codes. Both had their turn to be suspects as mark of the beast.


— Elder John Lemley


Given the nature of Revelation, I tend to interpret this entire passage symbolically, rather than literally. The symbol was a powerful one for John's readers, who would likely think of phylacteries worn on Jewish hands and foreheads. These small boxes marked a people that belonged to the one true God and who were committed to worshipping and obeying Him alone. When John speaks of a mark on the forehead or hand that shows one's belonging to the beast, he is referring, not to a literal mark but to an allegiance, a loyalty, a belief system. He is referring to those who have not committed themselves exclusively to God and the Lamb.


Those who insist most strenuously that the "mark of the beast" be taken literally usually insist that "the beast" be interpreted as a smooth-talking, charismatic, human politician! But despite many claims to take the text of Revelation literally, everyone who interprets the book is compelled to interpret its symbols symbolically. As New Testament scholar Craig Koester says, "The question is not whether to read the text symbolically, but how to read its symbolism" (italics his).1 


It is far more consistent to interpret the mark as symbolic along with the beast than it is to arbitrarily decide that the beast is a symbol but the mark is not.


(NOW  THAT  IS  USING  GOOD  OLD  HUMAN  LOGIC;  IF  THE  "MARK"  IS  LITERAL [IN  SOME  WAY]  THEN  THE  "BEAST"  IS   LITERL  BEAST   Keith Hunt)


Thus, I think it wise to consider the mark of the beast symbolic of a socio-economic system in which false worship is connected to commerce. Such a situation was familiar to the first readers of Revelation. Koester explains:


Those who sought to advance themselves socially or economically would have wanted to participate in the local trade guilds, although the social life of these guilds often included rituals and meals in honor of a pagan deity. Business contracts typically went to those who were on good terms with Roman authorities, including those who were involved in the deaths of Christians ... As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction ... was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God.2


Such systems exist in modern cultures to varying degrees. However, a microchip in itself hardly qualifies as a link between religion and commerce. Those who desire to avoid the mark of the beast need not fret over technological advances. Rather, they should focus on what is explicitly emphasized in Revelation: unabashed worship and unwavering loyalty to God and the Lamb in the face of a sinful culture that pressures us to worship and serve at the altars of power, money, pleasure, and exploitation.


— Elder Israel Steinmetz


1. Craig R. Koester, Revelation and the End of All Things, 134.

2. Ibid., 131-32.

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AND  THAT   MAINTAIN  IS  THE  TRUTH  OF  THE  MATTER,  AS  I'VE  COMMENTED  BEFORE  ON  THIS  TOPIC,  UNDER  THIS  PROPHECY  SECTION.


IT  IS  NOT  SIN  TO  HAVE   SOCIAL  SECURITY  NUMBER;   DEBT  CARD;  TO  DO  MONEY  TRANSACTIONS  ON  YOUR  COMPUTER.  EVEN  HAVING  SOME  LITTLE  TAG  ON  YOUR  WRIST  THAT  YOU  FLASH  AT   SCREEN;  OR  HAVE  IM-PLANTED  UNDER  YOUR  SKIN.  IF  THE  GOVERNMENT  GIVES  YOU  FREEDOM  TO  WORSHIP  GOD  ACCORDING  TO  YOUR  FAITH,  NONE  OF  THESE  PHYSICAL  THINGS  TO  DO  COMMERCE  WITH,  ARE  SIN.  BUT  IF  THE  GOVERNMENT  TELLS  YOU  HOW  TO  THINK [FOREHEAD]  AND  HOW  TO  WORK [HAND],  BY  HAVING  TO  FOLLOW  ITS  LAWS [WHICH  IN  THE  CONTEXT  OF  THIS  WHOLE  BEAST  WORSHIP]  AND  DISOBEY  GOD'S  LAW;  YOU  BECOME  AN  ENEMY  OF  GOD  AND   FRIEND  OF   SYSTEM  THAT  OPPOSES  GOD'S  TRUTHS  AND  WAY  OF  LIFE. 


AS I'VE STATED MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, IN THE VERY LAST TIMES THERE WILL ARISE IN EUROPE, THE LAST AND 7TH RESURRECTION OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. YES A ONE MORE TIME OF THE BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION, RISING UP AS IT DID 6 TIMES IN THE LAST 2,000 YEARS, TO DOMINATE AND RULE A CIVIL BEAST POWER OF EUROPE. BOTH TOGETHER FORMING AN END TIME HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, AS WAS DONE SIX PREVIOUS TIMES SINCE A.D. TIMES. THESE SIX TIMES ARE CLEARLY RECORDED IN THE HISTORY OF THE LAST 2,000 YEARS. I HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL THAT IN MY IN-DEPTH STUDY "THE BEASTS OF DANIEL AND REVELATION" UPLOADED NOT TOO FAR BACK. SCROLL BACK AND YOU WILL FIND IT.


THIS EUROPE END TIME BEAST POWER WILL EVENTUALLY RULE THE WESTERN WORLD. THERE WILL BE A RELIGIOUS FALSE PROPHET— THE, YES THE, ANTI-CHRIST. REVELATION SAYS HE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK MIRACLES. HE WILL LOOK AND SOUND LIKE HE IS FROM GOD, BUT HIS ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION THOUGH SOUNDING CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS, THOUGH LOOKING AND SOUNDING RIGHTEOUS, WILL, AS IT IS ALREADY, BE FULL OF FALSE THEOLOGY, FALSE TRADITIONS, FALSE CUSTOMS. AND WILL REQUIRE THOSE WHO FOLLOW IT TO OBSERVE THESE FALSE TRADITIONS— EASTER, CHRIST-MASS, AND SUNDAY AS THE WEEKLY DAY OF REST. AND IN SO DOING YOU HAVE ITS MARK. YOU BELONG TO THAT BEAST SOCIETY. YOU WILL FIT IN PERFECTLY.


IF YOU DO NOT OBSERVE AND FOLLOW ITS RELIGION— YOU DO NOT BELIEVE AND YOU DO NOT FOLLOW ITS FALSE CUSTOMS, AND TRADITIONS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU OBSERVE THE 7TH DAY SABBATH, YOU WILL STAND OUT LIKE A WHITE FLAG IN A SEA OF RED FLAGS.


IT WILL BE A TIME OF RELIGIOUS PERSECUTIONS. EVEN THOSE WHO YOU THOUGHT WERE FRIENDS, THOUGHT WERE GOOD FAMILY MEMBERS, WILL TURN YOU IN TO THE AUTHORITIES. YOU WILL BE PERSECUTED BY THE HOLY ROMAN BEAST AUTHORITIES. SOME WILL BE KILLED FOR THEIR FAITH IN OBEYING GOD AND NOT MAN. SOME, MANY, WILL NEED TO FLEE TO THE WILDERNESS, TO THE HILLS, THE FORESTS, THE CAVES, THE ISLANDS OF THE EARTH. IN SO DOING YOU WILL BE FLEEING FROM THE BEAST AND ITS MARK. 


AFTER ABOUT 42 MONTHS, 1260 DAYS, A TIME AND TIMES AND HALF A TIME, THE BOOK OF REVELATION, JESUS CHRIST WILL LITERALLY RETURN, IN GLORY AND MIGHT AND POWER. HE WILL TAKE THIS FALSE PROPHET AND BEAST MAN,  AND CAST THEM INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THE BABYLON MYSTERY HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE WILL BE DESTROYED AND NEVER AGAIN TO RISE. ALL NATIONS WILL COME UNDER THE GUIDANCE AND AUTHORITY OF CHRIST JESUS AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH HIM. IT WILL  BE THE TIME OF THE FIRST ONE THOUSAND YEARS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH.


Keith Hunt


 

Saturday, January 11, 2025

NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE STORY— 1 CORINTHIANS #1, #2, #3

 


 New Testament Bible
Story 

Chapter Sixty-one:

Paul writes 1 Corinthians - Part one

                    
From the NKJV Persoanl Study Edition - 
Nelson publishers, 1990, 1995

First Corinthians is Paul's instruction to his most problematic
church. The abiding principles in this letter are helpful in
solving problems of churches in every age. Paul's great hymn of
love (ch.13) and his lengthy treatise on the Resurrection 
(ch.15) are two of the best known passages in this book.

AUTHOR AND DATE 

The apostle Paul is almost universally recognized as the author.
He identifies himself both at the opening of the epistle (1:1)
and in his closing signature, "The salutation with my own hand -
Paul's" (16:21). The early church accepted the letter as Pauline,
confirming its authenticity.
The epistle was probably written about A.D.55 during Paul's third
missionary journey. In 16:8 he remarks, "I will tarry in Ephesus
until Pentecost." Since he was planning his departure, he
probably wrote 1 Corinthians during the last of his three years
in Ephesus (Acts 20:31).

BACKGROUND 

Paul had established the gospel in Corinth during his second
missionary journey (Acts 18:1-17). Arriving there, he lodged with
Aquila and Priscilla and began preaching to both Jews and
Gentiles. Many were converted, including Justus and Crispus. Paul
remained for about eighteen months, ministering fervently in
spite of great opposition. Apollos continued the work at Corinth
after Paul left (see Acts 18:24-19:1).
The Corinth which Paul knew had been founded as a Roman colony
during the century before Christ. It was strategically located in
the Roman province of Achaia on a narrow strip of land between
the Aegean Sea and the Adriatic, with two adjoining ports.
Corinth's location made it a center of the trade routes passing
from east to west.
Prosperity brought luxury and immorality. "To live like a
Corinthian" meant to live in gross immorality. Many pagan temples
located in Corinth encouraged this licentious way of life
by keeping prostitute priestesses.
Some of Paul's converts may have been Gentiles attracted to
Judaism. They were interested in monotheism but unwilling to be
circumcised. Others evidently came directly from a pagan
background. He warns them against idolatry (10:14-22) and reminds
them that they once lived in gross immorality (6:9-11) so typical
of their city. The Corinthian church was very diverse, including
men and women, rich and poor.

PURPOSE 

First Corinthians addresses serious doctrinal and ethical
problems that had arisen after Paul had founded the church on his
second missionary journey. (1) The Corinthian Christians
developed conflicting loyalties to different human teachers. (2)
They believed that spectacular grits were the sign of true
spirituality. (3) Some thought it did not matter what one did
with his body, because the spirit was the important thing. (4)
Perhaps they thought it was unspiritual to believe in a
resurrection..... (5) Others believed that Christians must
abstain from sex even in marriage. These beliefs led the
Corinthians into pride, lack of concern for each other,
immorality, and the danger of falling back into idolatry.

CONTENTS 

In 1:1-4:21 Paul deals with the report from Chloe's household
that there were divisions in the church. He wants them to
understand that salvation is not based on human wisdom or
personalities, but on Christ crucified and the work of God,
building His church. In 5:1-6:20 Paul addresses questions of
immorality at Corinth. It was shame for them to allow a person
living in gross immorality to continue in the church (5:1-13).
They disgraced the name of Christ by taking their fellow
Christians to court (6:1-11).
Their bodies belonged to the Lord and were not to be used for
sexual immorality (6:12-20). 
In 7:1-16:12 Paul answers the questions raised in their letter to
him. He instructs them on Christian marriage and sexual practice
(7:1-40). They might eat meat that had been offered to idols, but
they should do nothing that gave even the appearance of idol
warship (8:1-11:1). Church worship should be conducted decently
and with consideration for others (11:2-34). Spiritual gifts
should be used for the building up of others (12:1-31) in true
Christian love (13:1-13). Prophecy is better than tongues because
it edifies (14:1-40). Because Christ has risen (15:1-11), we too
will rise (15:12-34) with anew spiritual body (15:35-58). As is
typical of his letters, Paul concludes with final instructions a
greetings (16:13-24).

OUTLINE OF 1 CORINTHIANS
          
I. Introduction 1:1-9 
          
A. Salutation 1:1-3 
B. Thanksgiving 1:4-9 
          
2. Divisions in the church 1:10-4:21 

A. Divisive parties 1:10-17 
B. The power of the gospel 1:18-2:5
C. Divine revelation 2:6-16
D. Carnal Christians 3:1-23
E. The faithful preacher 4:1-21

3. Moral failure in the church 5:1-6:20
     
A. Refusal to discipline an offender 5:1-13  
1. The problem 5:1,2.    
2. The solution 5:3-8    
3. Separation from immoral people 5:9-13
B. Lawsuits among Christians 6:1-11 
C. Misuse of the body 6:12-20  

4. Marriage in the church 7:1-40 

A. Marriage and sexuality 7:1-7
B. Marriage and celibacy 7:8,8
C. Marriage and divorce 7:10-16
D. Spiritual contentment 7:25-40
E. Marriage for virgins and widows 7:25-40   

5. Christian liberty 8:1-11:1 

A. Principles of spiritual liberty 8:1-13
1. Knowledge and love 8:1-6
2. Conscience and liberty 8:7-13

B. The example of Paul 9:1-17
C. The example of the Israelites 10:1-13
D. The christian and idol feasts 10:14-22
E. Applying christian liberty 10:23-11:1

6. Public worship 11:2-34

A. Women in public worship 11:2-16
B. Conduct during the Lord's Supper 11:17-34

7. Spiritual gifts 12:1-14:40

A. Spiritual gifts differ 12:1-11
B. Spiritual gifts produce unity 12:12-31
C. Love is better than spiritual gifts 13:1-13
D. Prophecy superior to speaking in tongues 14:1-40

8. The resurrection 15:1-58

A. Christ's resurrection and ours 15:1-34
1. The resurrection of Jesus 15:1-11
2. The resurrection of believers 15:12-34

B. The resurrection of the body 15:35-58

9. Conclusion 16:24

A. The nature of Christian giving 16:1-4
B. Paul's future plans 16:5-12
C. Concluding instructions and greetings 16:13-24

End of Quotes


PERTINENT COMMENTS

CHAPTER ONE.

     Paul gives thanks to God for the brethren at Corinth and
their abundance of spiritual gifts. He then goes on to say they
have stepped over the line in "party spirit" and developing
"religious cell units" around certain "favorite" apostles they
had formed themselves around and made their captain. He asked
them if Christ is divided, or was any of their favorite apostles
crucified for them. No, it was Christ, and He is not divided was
Paul's intimated reply. He tells them he is thankful that he was
not sent to baptize people but to preach the Gospel. 
     And then he says the Gospel is to the "wise of this world"
as foolishness, but its simple message, the power of God to those
who are called. And this thought of "calling" triggers the
comment that it is not the mighty and the wise of the world who
are called, not many of those "educated" and of high positions in
the world's systems are called, but it is the relatively "weak"
of the world that God is mainly calling. And so in the end the
weak figuratively, will be used to bring down the mighty to
humble repentance and salvation one day. 
     In God's plan of salvation for the world, and the way He is
bringing it to pass, no one will be able to glory in themselves,
but everyone will have to glory in the Lord.

CHAPTER TWO

     Paul reminds them that when he preached among them it was
not as a polished "university" PhD of speech and debate, but he
preached only the simple message of Jesus Christ and Him
crucified for the sins of the world. He preached to them the
Messiah as personal Savior. Paul said he did not use "enticing"
words, or we may say today, he did not use fancy, complicated
high-and-mighty and politically correct jargon, that only lawyers
can understand. Paul preached Christ and Him crucified to them,
but that does not mean Paul did not preach other things at other
times to other people. We see this truth brought out in the last
words of the book of Acts, where he taught also the Kingdom of
God.
     What Paul preached to them was the wisdom of God, in a
mystery to the world, not understandable to the unconverted,
unrepentant minds of the vast majority of people. Yet, this
hidden mystery was revealed to them by the Spirit. It is only the
Spirit of God that can understand God much like the mind of man
is only able to understand the mind of man, no animal can
understand man. So the mind of God was passed on to them
through the Spirit of God, and the Holy Spirit leads to teach and
understand God's mind, which only those who have the Spirit of
God can comprehend. No man can instruct God, yet Paul finished
with wonderful words that Christians "have the mind of Christ."

CHAPTER THREE

     After stating what he just told them, Paul must put it all
in perspective with the present facts of what he has been told is
going on in their congregation. There was strife, envy,
divisions, and so to Paul this was evidence that they were yet
"babes in Christ" - not even "spiritual teens" but still little
"babes." He was pulling no punches here, yes, at times Paul could
get very blunt, telling it like it was, laying the cards on the
table. He goes back to commenting on how they had stepped over
the line of "friendship" and "I enjoy his way of teaching" to
making teachers like Apollos and himself, into little or we
should say big, idols, like swooning over a Hollywood star. Each
group within the church had their 'hollywood idol" we might say.
     Paul tells them that all apostles and ministers of God are
laborers together with God, really the Lord's servants and
everyone, all Christians, are the building of God. The foundation
of the building is Christ Jesus. We might say that one does the
laying of the cement, another puts up the wooden frame, another
after that comes along and does the decorating work, but it is
all built on the bedrock of Jesus Christ, and God is the overall
foeman guiding it all, providing all the materials and tools.
     But Paul says those who work on the construction of the
house do need to take care how they construct and do their work.
It needs to be done correctly so it will stand the test of
judgement, for we must all appear before Christ to give account
of what we did with what we were given to do.

CHAPTER FOUR

     Paul continues his thought. Stewards are to be faithful, but
will have to give account in the end. Paul says he will have to
give account to God. And so they should not try judging. They
were judging apostles by taking "sides" with this one or that
one, as making "idols" of them, and so in essence saying this one
was "good" and this one "not good" in the work of God. Paul said
this kind of judging was not good or proper at all.
     Then they were making merchandise of each other, puffed up
against one another. Each little sect within the congregation
with their man-made "Hollywood idol apostle" was acting vainly
towards the other little sects with their "Hollywood idol
apostle" - saying and acting like all others outside their little
group were "the pits."
     He tells them with tongue in cheek, that while they were
wise and lofty, the apostles were low and made a spectacle to the
world. He tells them they were often close to death,  often
hungry, and thirsty, not well dressed, often physically
mistreated, and had no certain "put down roots" home.
     He wrote these things not to shame them but to give them a
"loving warning." And the bottom line he told them is that Christ
may have ten thousand instructors doing His work, but only ONE is
our Father, for all Christians are begotten to the Father through
the Gospel.
     Paul says he is sending Timothy to them to back up all that
he has written and is writing as he pens this epistle to them.
And to those who are "puffed up" in attitude because they think
he will not personally come to them...well they had better
watch-out, for if the Lord will, he tells them he will come to
them. But in coming he will come with the "power" of the Kingdom
of God, and as we know Paul did have much power of miracles at
times. 
     So he finishes that thought with asking them what way they
wanted him to come  - with a rod, like a task master, or with the
spirit of meekness.
     He was no doubt hoping they would repent of their errors and
so then desire him to come with softness and meekness.

     Oh, yes, Paul could get very thorny and abrasive when the
situation called for it. But as we shall see from other parts of
his epistles, he could also be very kind, very gentle, and most
loving and encouraging, and so thankful to people for their
service in the Lord's work, and service to the brethren. Many
think Paul was "against women" but nothing could be further from
the truth, as we shall see in future chapters.

CHAPTER FIVE

     There was sexual misconduct in one specific instance of note
in Corinth, which we read about in the first verses of chapter
five. A man was having sex with his father's wife. The
congregation as a whole was looking the other way, taking on note
of it, or certainly not doing anything about it. They were just
letting the fellow do this sin, while everyone knew about it, it
was open knowledge what he was doing. Paul said though he was not
with them in person, he had already judged this matter, and so he
was pointing out to them that they needed to judge it also. 
     We see here immediately that in some situations God's people
are to "judge" some matters. The key is having "righteous
judgement" as Jesus said His disciples needed to have. Paul
instructed them that when they all came together there should
only be one way to judge this gross sin, and that was to
disfellowship, or put out of their fellowship the man who was
obviously un-repentant of this sexual sin. Their glorying as
thinking it was very gracious of them to look the other way
concerning this man's sin, was NOT good, and the man if put out
of their fellowshipping, may come to repentance as he is
"given back to the world" in a figure of speech. At any rate it
was clear to Paul that allowing such sin would lead to other sins
just as bad, in their congregation, until the whole group of
them, like a piece of bread dough, would be infested with the
leaven of wickedness.

     Verses 7 and 8 are important teachings of the Passover and
feast of Unleavened Bread. The Corinthians were to put out this
leaven of gross sins and wickedness that they were allowing, and
be spiritually unleavened as they were physically unleavened.
Yes, this very letter that Paul was going to send them was
written during the feast of Unleavened Bread.
     The comments by Conneybeare and Howson in their famous old
work called "The Life and Epistles of Paul" gives us the true
insight of these verses.

Quote:

     "The date of this Epistle can be fixed with more precision
     than that of any other. It gives us the means of
     ascertaining, not merely the year, but even (with great
     probability) the month and week, in which it was
     written.....He wrote during 'the days of unleavened
     bread' ....1 cor.5:7...and intended to remain at Ephesus
     till Pentecost (16:8, cf, 15:32).....
     In spite of the opinion of some eminent modern commentators,
     which is countenanced by Chrysostom, we must adhere to the
     interpretation which considers these words as written at the
     Paschal season, and suggested by it. The words 'leaven' -
     'lump' - 'Paschal Lamb' - and 'feast' all agree most
     naturally with this view. It has been objected, that
     St.Paul would not address the Corinthians as engaged in a
     feast which he, at Ephesus, was celebrating; because it
     would be over before his letter could reach them. any one
     who has ever written a birthday letter to a friend in India,
     will see the weakness of this objection. It has also been
     urged that he would not address a mixed church of Jews and
     Gentiles as engaged in the celebration of a Jewish feast.
     Those who urge this objection must have forgotten that
     St.Paul addresses the Galatians (undoubtedly a mixed church)
     as if they had all been formerly idolaters (Gal.4:8); and
     addresses the Romans, sometimes as if they were all Jews
     (Rom.7:1), sometimes as if they were Gentiles (Rom.11:18). 
     If we are to take 'as you are unleavened' in a metaphorical
     sense, it is scarcely consistent with the previous 'cast out
     the old leaven;' for the passage would then amount to
     saying, 'Be free from leaven (metaphorically) as you are
     free from leaven (metaphorically;' whereas, 'Be free from
     leaven (metaphorically) as you are free from leaven
     (physically).'
     There seems no difficulty in supposing that the Gentile
     Christians joined with the Jewish Christians in celebrating
     the Paschal feast after the Jewish manner, at least to the
     extent of abstaining from leaven in the love-feast. And we
     see that St. Paul still observed the 'days of unleavened
     bread' at this period of his life, from Acts 20:6....."

End quote

     Very sensible and logical words and thoughts from those two
old Bible scholars.

     Verse 8, Paul tells them to CONTINUE observing (the Greek is
in the "present" tense - action continued) the "feast" or as the
margin says, "holy day" with the putting out of the leaven of
malice and wickedness, and continue it with the unleavened bread
of sincerity and truth.

     In verse 9 we see the truth that Paul did write more
epistles than what we have preserved in the New Testament. God
has preserved for us what is necessary for this Christian age. 

     Paul instructs them that they are not to fellowship with
gross open sin, and gives a list of what some of those sins might
be. This is the context of that type of sin talked about in the
first verses of this chapter. Such out in the open sins cannot be
allowed to operate in the church without the church taking some
action on those openly practicing such sins. Paul is writing to
tell them that the action to be taken is to disfellowship such
sinners, from their congregation, and not to have "social
buddy-buddy" friendship with them until they have repented, and
then of course spiritual and social ties can again be practiced. 
     He explains that this type of judging cannot apply to those
in the world, the unconverted outside the Church of God, for then
they would have to live as hermits. Sometimes in your secular
work you have to work with and maybe sit and eat meals with
someone who is known by all as sexually immoral as a way of life.
He says we judge and must judge at times, those in our Christian
community and congregation, but God will judge those outside in
the unconverted none-Christian world.

CHAPTER SIX

     Now Paul's mind in talking about "judging" goes to another
problem the Corinthians had, and that was the situation that some
brethren were taking other brethren to the courts of this world,
for one reason or another. He tells then quite frankly that that
situation should NEVER be done or practiced inside of the Church
of God. He reminds them that the saints are one day to rule and
judge the world. All the prophets and all the Scriptures foretold
this age when God's children will rule and judge the nations of
the earth under the Messiah. Jesus you will remember told his
twelve disciples that they would in the Kingdom of God, sit on
twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
     So, Paul argues, if we are to judge the world one day, then
we should be able, within the church, to judge certain matters
between brethren, and not take each other to secular law courts.
     It was to Paul an outright shame that they were acting like
there was not one single person in their congregation spiritually
wise and mature enough to judge these secular matters, that were
arising between themselves. It was a shame to Paul that those
people that Christians often and basically looked upon as really
"least wise" and "least esteemed" in spirituality, the
unconverted, were ending up as judging secular matters between
brethren.
     It simply was not to be done, taking brethren to secular
courts of law. Paul was quite emphatic on the matter.

     He finishes this chapter by laying the cards on the table,
pulling no punches, with certain sins, and especially the sexual
immoral sins. A good modern Bible translation will make it all
very plain. 
     The sexual immoral sins effect the very physical body, and
Paul tells them that the physical body of the Christian is the
very Temple of God. It is to be taken care of in physical ways,
and immoral sexual sins are not the way to take care of the
temple where the Holy Spirit dwells. He reminds them that they as
a whole person, body as well as mind, had been bought by God. We
know from many of Scriptures that God bought us by the death of
His Son Jesus Christ.
     And so we really do not belong to ourselves to practice
immoral sins.

CHAPTER SEVEN

     The Corinthians had written to Paul concerning some matters
that they needed guidance on. And here he answers them with,
sometimes the very written word of God on the matter, and
sometimes with his own wisdom and guidance, yet he would classify
his guidance as being from God, as he was inspired by the Holy
Spirit (see 1 Cor.14:37). And the Lord had Paul's council written
down and part of the New Testament inspired words of God, so
Paul's advise was inspired Scripture.
     We need to "context" much of chapter seven within the 26th
verse. Very important to context a lot of what Paul said here
with verse 26th. It was a time of "distress" in some way for the
church at Corinth, we are not told what this was in any specific
way.
     He tells them that sexual intercourse should be continued on
a regular basis, and only not,  in times of fasting and prayer
(verses 1-6).
     He implies that he was at this time of his life a single
man, not married, and that "for this present distress" (v.26) the
unmarried and widows should remain unmarried, but if they were
deeply in love, they could marry, so they would not "burn up"
(mentally and emotionally) with love and sexual desire for the
one loved (verses 7-9).
     To the married (couples - both being members of the church)
he writes that it is God's command to remain married, and no
divorce should be thought as okay under "the present distress"
(v.26). If they did separate they should remember they were still
married to each other, and should come together again (verses
10-11).
     Paul gives his judgment (but it is as chap.14:37) on one
mate being converted and the other not. If the unconverted
desired the marriage to hold, then the converted should not seek
divorce, but if the unconverted left and divorced the Christian,
then the Christian was not bond to the marriage, and could
re-marry (verses 12-17).
     Paul addresses the various "callings" or "secular positions"
one may be living or working in, when called by God to His way of
live and to salvation (verses 18-24). Here is a key verse
concerning "physical circumcision" - verse 19. It is in the
Gospel age...NOTHING!  We have already seen all this issue in
previous chapter. Physical circumcision was not necessary to be
saved. So if you were circumcised when called of God, okay, don't
try to become uncircumcised (and in deed there were methods
invented to un-do it, to stretch the skin once more to cover the
head of the penis), and if uncircumcised when called of God,
don't think of becoming circumcised.
     There are many situations in life that a person could be
living in as to secular vocation, i.e. a servant, or butler, is
one used by Paul. Paul's teaching would be that when called by
God you are to obey the commands of God (v.19, they were still
the important thing) and do your job. If you could be freed from
your secular job, because in the long run it would be better for
you and for your employer, who now has this "odd Christian
fellow" working for them, with odd and strange customs to
observe, the employer might well think, then GO FREE, Paul said.
     Take the example of being a "butler." You are called of God,
to serve Him and obey His commandments. Now you tell your
employer that you cannot work as doing butler duties on the
weekly Sabbath. He may agree to let you have the Sabbath hours
off. All is then well and fine. Your occupation is one that does
not violate any of God's other laws. You may want to continue in
that occupation as you serve God. On the other hand, your
employer may not be willing to let you have the Sabbath hours
off, it just would not "work" for him, he has too many business
deals and too much entertaining to do on weekly Sabbath, so he
"lets you go free" or he "fires you" - then Paul instructs,
that's okay also, you are free from that occupation, but you are
still God's servant. If you can stay in an occupation that is not
against God's way of life (working as a printer for a
"pornographic" magazine would be against God's commandments to
start with, and a new Christian would have to leave anyway), say
as a "servant" and you can serve God, then you are God's servant
within that occupation, you are a "freeman" spiritually
speaking. Then on the other hand, if being called to God's way
you are set free from your occupation, then you are still
Christ's servant.
     The bottom line again with Paul was "You are bought with a
price; be you NOT the servants of men." God must come first, His
commandments come first (verse 19). Yet if you can "work it out"
(and the occupation is not against God's laws) with your
employer, so you can serve God, then stay in your occupation
(verses 18-24).

     Of course all this has nothing to do with "you must stay in
your occupation" after being called by God. Any Christian can at
any time move to work in other occupations, or move to a better
secular job, for better pay, or whatever other legitimate reasons
there are to consider in changing jobs, or changing employers, or
moving to another part of the country.

     Paul gives his judgments at that "present distress" for
virgins in verses 25-26. He saw it better to stay single, but if
deeply in love, it was not wrong to marry. Yet for that present
distress, in an over all way, he thought is better not to marry
if you were not married, but single (verses 27-28).

     He puts in perspective the life of the married and life of
the un-married, as under the time of "present distress." It would
be easy in a physical way to just have to care for yourself, just
having to think about yourself. When times are difficult, the
stress can be even more stressful if you have to think about more
persons than just yourself. As being married you have other
responsibilities to think about other than focussing on just
God's will and way, under a time of stress and difficulties,
which can distracts us. Being single under those times, we have
less to distract us from attending to God's work.
     But he finishes again by saying even under times of
difficulty and distress, if anyone believes it is not right for
the one they love, or for their daughter (or I suppose son - God
is no respecter of person) to not marry, when they really should
be marrying, they could marry. It was not a sin to marry. But
"for the present distress" they were overall better off to wait
until a later time (verses 36-38).

     As for widows (verses 39-40) they could re-marry, but ONLY
"in the Lord" - to a Christian man. Yet once more, under "the
present distress" Paul taught is would be better for them not to
marry.

     So we can see the importance of CONTEXT. Verse 26 is the
context of many of these directives that Paul is giving. We know
that the whole Bible teaches that marriage was created by God,
and that in the main God says, "it is not good that man should be
alone." But there are times in life when the external situation
of a Christian group of people may be such that those not married
should put off marriage until later. Yet, as Paul said, if people
do marry under that hardship circumstance, they have not sinned.

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Chapter Sixty-two:

Paul writes 1 Corinthians - Part two

                  
PERTINENT COMMENTS

CHAPTER EIGHT

     Paul answers their question about things offered to idols.
Some of the sacrifice of the animal was sold in the market place
(shambles - chapt. 10:25) hence the question from the
Corinthians, "Is it okay to buy and eat that meat?"
     First Paul says the god to whom the sacrifice was offered is
not a real thing, it is just the imagination of men, so the meat
cannot really be "contaminated." The truth is there is but ONE
true God. The other so-called gods are nothing - no gods at all.
     But not everyone in Christian church, especially new
converts and still "weak" in the faith, babes in Christ, have
this basic and somewhat fundamental knowledge. They still in
their mind think that somehow the meat offered to an idol is
contaminated, and it just would not "sit right" with them to eat
that kind of meat. 
     Technically Paul says, to eat or not to eat that meat, means
nothing to the true God. It does not make you better and does not
make you worse.
     Yet, your knowledge, and so your liberty to eat this meat
from the idol's temple, may deeply offend a new brother/sister in
the faith, that still has not grown to your knowledge. They could
well be offended to such a point that they may think twice about
the "Christian faith." So Paul instructs, the knowledgable
Christian is to refrain from offending a weaker brother, and
should then NOT eat such meat in the presence of that weak church
member. 
     So emphatic was Paul on this that he went as far as saying
that to SIN against your brother this way and wound their weak
conscience, was a sin against Christ. And so if eating such meat
offered to idols would offend a brother, Paul said he would eat
none of it as long as the world was standing, lest he make his
brother to be offended.

     The principle is that of the use of "alcohol." God's word is
not against the use of alcohol per se, only against drunkenness.
But not all in the church have this knowledge. Some can get VERY
offended in the presence of another Christian, if that Christian
drank any alcohol. So, the law against NOT offending a believer
in such a context, is greater than the law that allows a believer
to drink alcohol. A Christian should not drink alcohol in the
presence of a Christian who would be very offend, and damage
their conscience, if someone of the Christian faith drank alcohol
while in their company.

     We see then that there are some situations that it is a sin
against Christ to offend your brother or sister.

CHAPTER NINE

     Paul establishes his absolute "apostleship" - he tells them
he has indeed SEEN the very Christ. He was especially an apostle
to them because he was one of the very founding ministers of the
Church of God in Corinth. 
     Some were calling into question Paul's apostleship.

     This section is mainly about  Barnabas and Paul having the
right to "live off the church" - be full time paid ministers of
the Gospel. Again, some were saying Paul had no such right or
authority. 
     He points out to them that others they knew WERE getting
physical aid while doing God's work. One of the well known ones
was the apostle Peter, who had a wife, and both her and Peter
lived by physical means from the Church. Other well known
apostles did also, including Christ's very own brothers. 
     Paul said this authority to do so, was not just men's ideas
but came from the very word of God. He then quotes and takes them
to Old Testament verses to prove his point.
     To Paul it was simply a matter of reading what God had to
say on the subject. And so it was that those who planted
spiritual seeds, should be able to reap physical things from the
Church of God, and if so, could indeed "live off the church" or
be what we might call a "full time minister."

     Paul also showed them that some were indeed being supported
by their physical means, but he never quoted names (verse 12). 
But he tells them that he and Barnabas (maybe others with Paul,
the "we")  never used this God given authority, yet adds another
verse from Leviticus 6:16, to back his point that ministers of
the altar lived off the altar - lived off the physical things of
the members of the household of God (Israel - sacrifices 
- priesthood as the type for the Church of God).
     He then gets very specific and says, "Even so has the Lord
ordained (or established as law) that they which preach the
Gospel should live off the Gospel" (verse 14).
     But, a BIG but, then Paul goes on to say, he NEVER used that
authority of the law of God ON THEM. I guess from the start he
had, or knew that the Corinthians had a problem in giving their
physical material goods to him and others with him. So he did not
"push the point of truth" to them. He set his mind to work at a
secular job as we have seen in recent chapters going through
Acts, and how he applied his trade of tent-making while preaching
and teaching and raising a congregation in Corinth.
     He tells them that he is obliged, he is obligated, has no
choice in the matter, but to preach the Gospel, so he will not
glory, in not living off them, for God had called him to preach
the Gospel, and woe to him if he did not. But he adds that there
is a kind of reward in not looking to them for physical support,
and what that rewards was that he could preach the Gospel without
getting paid for so doing, and without having to apply the
authority of living off the material goods of anyone.

     A modern translation of the Bible will really bring out the
true sense of verses 1-18.

     He finishes this chapter by stating that he used in his life
of teaching the Gospel, the principle that he became like those
he was preaching to, yet making sure he remained within God's
law. So he put himself in the other man's shoes as we say. He
really tried to come from their perspective and situation in
life. He did it so he might win some to Christ (verses 19-23).

     Paul said he ran as if in a race, but it was not a physical
race like that of the Olympic Games, whom the victors only get a
crown for winning that is physical and so perishable. But Paul
said he ran a spiritual race, he fought a spiritual boxing match,
he watched himself in all manner of life and thoughts and words
and actions, so that after preaching to others the way to life
eternal, he himself would not fall away or be cast from the ship
of salvation and the Kingdom of God (verses 24-27).

     The last example of Paul himself was for the benefit of all
the brethren at Corinth. It was to encourage them to fight the
same spiritual battle, and to watch their step. If he as an
apostle of God, used so mightily by the Lord, could possibly
"fall away" or be "a castaway" - then so could they. They needed
to fight the good fight and remain true to "the way" as it was
sometimes called (Acts 19:9,23).

CHAPTER TEN

     Paul turns to a little history of ancient Israel to teach a
lesson in NOT lusting after evil things. Israel came out of Egypt
with Moses and did eat "the same spiritual meat and did drink the
same spiritual drink, for they drank of that spiritual Rock that
followed them: and that Rock was Christ" (verse 3,4). 
     One of a number of clear verses in the New Testament that
shows Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament for the most
part. Jesus was of the Godhead, was eternal, was with God the
Father from the beginning, and was God, and was with God (John
1:1). He was God in the sense of being of the Godhead. He was not
God the Father, for He was WITH God (the Father), but He was ALL
that the Father was and is (except in final authority as Paul
with show the Corinthians in chapter 11:3).  

     Jesus was the one guiding and teaching the Israelites, but
with many of them God was not well pleased, and killed many of
them in the wilderness. For they lusted after evil things. Paul
warns the Corinthians not be worship idols, not to be sexually
immoral, not to put God to the test, seeing how close to evil we
can come and practice before the Lord will correct us. He tells
them not to murmur, bicker and complain, that God is not fair,
not just, not this or nor that, doesn't listen, doesn't help, and
any number of other complains we may invent about God.
     The examples written down about ancient Israel are for OUR
learning, for our example, so we will not do likewise. And if we
are SELF-confident, vain in our thinking all is just fine with us
spiritually speaking, then we better get sober-minded and take
heed lest we fall flat on our nose. Some of the Corinthians were
being so "spiritually cocky" they were in real spiritual danger
and didn't even know it, until Paul told them it was so (verses
1-12).

     Then Paul gives some encouragement in verse 13. Showing them
that God will not try and test us, allow troubles to come upon us
that we are not able to bear. But will always make it possible
for us to endure and to be delivered form all adversity.

     He then goes back to the subject of idolatry. He points out
that the unconverted in their false worship of false gods, all
that they do, believe, practice, as religion towards their false
gods, is really the false worship towards demons, the world of
evil spirit beings. The outward physical idol and physical
sacrifices on a physical altar, was nothing, but the spiritual
mind-set they did it all in was towards demons, even though they
did not recognize it as such.
     This was a way of Paul saying that the Corinthians had come
out of this false life style of the deceived world, and had been
given the way, the spiritual food of God's table. We wanted them
to remember they could not have the table food, life style, of
the world, and also the table food of life from God. The two do
not mix, the two cannot mix. If we try to mix the two as God's
children, then we will provoke Him as our Father to jealousy,
and as Paul said, "Are we stronger than He?" The answer inferred
is "No way!"

     It all comes back to ancient Israel. God had called them to
be His, and they wanted what He had to offer, yet at the same
time they wanted their old way of carnal lustful life of sin and
evil, the way of demons. But a child of God cannot have their old
wrong way of life and God's way of life at the same time. And the
Lord will correct us to keep us on His team and in His family
(verses 14-22).

     Paul then goes back to the eating of meat that some could
get offended over, and eating the idol meat at some festival.
     You will by now notice how Paul writes, not all that neat
and "completely finish this issue and move on to the next." He
jumps back and forth at times. Not the easiest type of writing to
follow, but that's what gave Paul his writing signature, just
different than most others.

     There are many things that a Christian can do, that is
within the way of the Lord, technically what the Lord allows, no
law against it, but Paul argues, those ways we have freedom to do
are not always serving and loving and without offense to others,
be it a Christian or none-Christian. You may go to a festival,
and eat what is before you asking nothing about if the meat has
been offered to an idol, for as we have seen, Paul said that
a physical idol is not a god, just nothing in reality but a piece
of wood or stone. But if someone there says to you, "What are you
doing, this meat was offered to an idol!" You should not eat it,
not because God does not allow you to do so, but because the
other person would be offended. His conscience, not yours, would
be offended. And if you ate the meat and he was offended then
your liberty in God would end up being "evil spoken of" by him
and others like him.
     So, Paul taught, it is one of the big responsibilities of a
Christian to give no offence to anyone, outside the Church of God
or inside the Church of God. We are not always to seek just what
we have liberty to do in God. By so living many eventually will
find salvation.
     The context shows that this is not a discussion on "clean
and unclean" meats, or the food laws of God.

     Our charity towards others is all summed up in the words of
Jesus, "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your
good works and glorify God in heaven."

CHAPTER ELEVEN

     A difficult section of Paul to understand in its depth.
Probably the Corinthians understood it well, as they were much
closer to the time, but we are two thousand years from it. 
     We see a few plain things. The head of man is Christ. We can
understand that. We look to Jesus as our leader, guide, spiritual
Elder brother. He has care for us, love for us, kindness for us.
He is the gentle shepherd. The head of the woman is the man.
Man was made first and woman was made for man, God said in the
beginning. Woman was made from man's rib, not his foot to be
walked on, but from that which is close to his heart. As Christ
is to man, so should man be to women. And then God is head of
Christ, in the same way Christ is head of man. God the Father has
final authority over all and everything (verses 1-3).

     Whatever all the verses from 4 to 16 are about in detail, is
not the scope of this Bible Story to explain. But one thing seems
certain, Paul is talking about "hair" - yes literal hair on the
head of man and woman (verses 14,15). Hair in Paul's time was
important, and the nature of women's hair is of course a well
known fact that for longevity it is generally greater than man's
- women do not (unless something is wrong health wise) go bald
like men do. Most women take a pride in the natural beauty of
having this genetic strength in their hair (although it is today
somewhat less appreciated by many women). 
     It would seem that this section of Paul is instruction for
the Church of God to appreciate the basic design of God, in Him
generally intending that women have longer hair than men. And
that as Paul shows in the very natural order of nature and
society, generally speaking through most generations (but maybe
not all) it was the natural order for men to have relatively
short hair and women relatively longer hair.

     I will add this comment. Verse 4 and 5 has nothing to do
with "church services" - there is no such words used as "when you
come together in church" as Paul used in verse 18. Praying and
prophesying of verse 4 and 5 is a broad and wide statement with
no connection to what Paul got specific on as in "when you come
together in church" of verse 18. Praying and prophesying can be
done anywhere at any time in any location. Paul is really using
it to mean the Christian way of living at all times, in all
places. Understood like that will eliminate endless arguments and
debates about women's head coverings (hats, veils, hair) in
"church services." But it will keep in tact the basic teaching
that God wants women to glory in her hair, for he gave it to her
for glory, and that in comparison to each other, women should
have longer hair then men.

REMEMBERING THE LORD'S DEATH

     I have given this a separate heading for it is one of the
great sacraments of the New Testament Church of God. The
remembering of the Lord's death is very special, as Jesus Himself
in the last chapters of the Gospels gave it special attention,
and instructed His church to give it special attention, as we
will see here in Paul's teaching as to the proper way to observe
it. And in verse 23, you will note that Paul received his
instruction on how to teach and instruct this sacrament from the
Lord personally.

     From verse 18, this is a time "when you come together in the
church." This is a church gathering function. Like other things
in the Corinthian church there was division over this matter.
They were making this remembrance into a large festival meal. But
you will notice that it was not even "all share" but "keep to
myself" attitude, and some were going hungry, while others were
full and even getting drunk (verses 20-22). 
     What is missed by many is the correct Greek of verse 20. The
margin of some KJV Bibles will give it. The Greek is "When you
come together therefore into one place, you CANNOT eat the Lord's
supper." 
     Paul is dogmatically telling them that the remembrance of
the Lord's death, is NOT to be as Jesus observed, a "supper" type
meal, as the Passover was. The Passover of the Old Testament was
a supper type meal, with roasted lamb, bitter herbs, and
unleavened bread, and wine added later to its traditional
observance. 
     Why on earth some denominations of Christianity want to call
this sacrament, "the Lord's supper" is a puzzle to me, for Paul
clearly stated that you CANNOT eat the Lord's supper. It is
really still the Passover but with changes made to it by Christ
Himself for the New Testament age. For Paul after stating we
cannot eat the Lord's supper, tells us WHY, "for I have received
of the Lord that which also I delivered to you, that in the SAME
NIGHT in which He was betrayed....." (verse 23).
     Paul then goes on to reiterate what Jesus did on that
Passover night before His death on the cross, the blessing of the
bread and the fruit of the vine, to represent His broken body and
shed blood for the remission of sins (verses 24-25).

     Verse 26 does not prove you can do this sacrament as many
times as you like. Paul simply states that as often as this
sacrament is done (down through the ages until Jesus returns) the
Church of God remembers Christ's death until He comes again. He
had already told them (chapter 5) that Jesus was the Passover
sacrificed for us. The Passover was observed ONCE a year, and
Jesus instructed Paul to teach that on the NIGHT He was betrayed
we should remember His death.

     Verse 27 has bothered some. The "unworthily" word. After all
we are all really unworthy of the love of God and Christ shown
towards us. The answer is again in the Greek word. "Unworthily" is
an "adverb."  A "doing" word - the manner of - the way of
doing.  The Corinthians were observing this sacrament in the
WRONG MANNER, just as we have seen in the context. They were
making a meal of it, some eating full, others going hungry, and
some getting drunk. They really did not know what it was all
about, they were not discerning the Lord's body at all, and so
judgement from God was coming upon them.  The Lord was not just
standing by and turning a blind eye to it all. Many of
them were sick, weak physically, and some were even dying (verses
29-32). God was indeed doing some chastening.
     If we judge ourselves Paul said, be willing to see the
improper way and attitude of observing this sacrament instituted
by Jesus, then we would not come under the judgement and
chastening of the Lord.

     They were to eat their evening meal at home (verse 34) and
they were to examine themselves (verse 28) and then come together
in the church to observe the bread and cup, as explained in
verses 23-25.

CHAPTER TWELVE

     The Corinthian church was blessed form God with many gifts
of the Spirit.  Corinth was a hub of commerce, and people from
all over the Roman world came to it. Probably this was one of the
main reasons as to why the Corinth church was given so many gifts
of the Spirit, to be able to reach so many diverse people in one
city.

     This is such a full epistle with so much diverse teaching on
so many important aspects of Christian living, that I am
compelled to write more in a third section, so the New Testament
Bible Story can be of greater edification for all who will read
it.

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Chapter Sixty-three:

Paul writes 1 Corinthians - Part Three

                      
PERTINENT COMMENTS

CHAPTER TWELVE

     "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren I would not have
that you be ignorant," was Paul's opening words in this chapter
to the Corinthians. He goes on to make it clear that though there
are many different gifts, there is only ONE Spirit that gives
them. And the main purpose of all these gifts is that "every man
profit" (verse 7).
     The list of gifts is given by Paul: words of wisdom; words
of knowledge; faith; healing; miracles; prophecy; discerning of
spirits, different languages; the interpretation of languages or
tongues. And he again gives emphasis to the fact that it is the
one Spirit of God that gives these gifts to whoever, according to
the will of God, not the will of any man (verses 1-11). These are
obviously gifts that are above the normal of what every Christian
has through the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

     Paul then goes into a somewhat lengthy dialogue in verses
12-31 to make sure that his readers understand that whatever
function, whatever work, whatever part of the body of Christ any
individual may be doing, all and every single person is
important, and all are part of the very body of Christ and
members of each other (verse 27). All are baptized by one Spirit
into the one body, it makes no difference who you are, Jew or
Gentile, rich or poor, many gifted or little gifted. The body of
Christ is made up of many members, yet it is ONE body. Paul uses
the physical body to bring out the truth of the matter on this
important fact of the "church" as many members, but making up the
ONE body of Christ. All parts of the physical body are important
to the body to function completely and effectively. 
     I have as one of my secular skilled trades, the skill of
being an Orthopedic Shoemaker, and Orthotic (the old term was
"arch support") Specialists. I have over the years had to help
people who had lost a few toes from one or both feet. Most of us
with full use of our feet do not realize how important our toes
are in walking correctly. They are crucial to our normal walk.
Our smooth and balanced walk is drastically impaired with just a
few missing toes. Of course our head and mind is obviously the
first people think of as crucial for our function, and yes it is,
but for complete body function in normal good health, we need ALL
parts of our body. Every section has its part to play, so every
part of the body is important. The body cannot function as
intended if it is only a head with a brain, or a head with only a
torso. 
     Well, Paul puts it all in plain words and all in proper
perspective (15-24). He says all this so there will be no vain
divisions in the Church of God (verse 25).
     He also then points out it is the same with "spiritual
gifts." God gives the gifts, some function as apostles (ones sent
forth), some as prophets, some as teachers. These are yes, some
of the first and main functions of SOME who are given those
functions in the church, for through those functions the church
grows and is spiritually edified. Then Paul says, AFTER those
functions comes:  miracles; healings; helps; governments or
administrations; different tongues or languages.
     He then asks them if ALL are apostles, or prophets, or
teachers, or workers of miracles and so forth. The answer is
clearly a NO!  Then he tells them it is fine to have gifts, to
really appreciate them, and to use them. BUT, another BIG "but"
there is one thing more important than ANY gift. And that is what
he goes on to explains in chapter thirteen.

CHAPTER THIRTEEN

     We immediately can learn from verse one two things: (1)
there is tongues of mankind and of angels; (2) even if we can
speak them, but we do not have LOVE we are but a tinkling cymbal
- a pretty lowly esteemed instrument in a large band or orchestra
- hardly very important in the whole scheme of things.
     But I do want you to remember there is a "tongue" of angels,
as we shall come back to that when we look at chapter 14 - the
famous "tongues" chapter.

     This chapter thirteen has also become one of the famous
chapters of the entire New Testament. Please take some time and
read it all in different modern translations of the Bible. Paul
gives us some great truths as to what "love" in the Christian
context and life, is all about. There are many other passages in
the New Testament that also amplify "Christian love."  If you
have not already done so, take the time one day, to use say
Strong's Concordance of the Bible, and look up every verse in the
New Testament where the words "love" is used.  That study alone
will give you rich and glorious blessings in showing you what
true "Christian love" is all about.

     There may be THREE great spiritual foundations for all
Christians: faith, hope, love; but as Paul finished this chapter
with, "the GREATEST of these is LOVE" (verses 1-13).

CHAPTER FOURTEEN

     The famous "tongues" chapter of Paul's writings. It is not
the intent here to go into detail on this chapter. But certain
points are abundantly clear, and do stand out if we will
but note them. They are: (1) Tongues or languages are a gift of
the Spirit (2) there are tongues of angels as we saw in chapter
thirteen (3) prophecy or inspired teaching is of more benefit to
the congregation (4) unless one or someone can interpret tongues,
it does no edifying to the church (5) to edify the church is the
most important aspect to be zealous over (6) Paul spoke in
tongues more than any of them (7) better to speak in church five
understandable words than ten thousand no one can understand (8)
tongues are for a sign to them that are not believers than to
them that are believers (9) if everyone in church is speaking in
an unknown language and someone who is unlearned in the languages
or is an unbeliever comes in to the service, they will think all
the members of the church are mad. But if all speaking
inspiringly, and one comes in who believes not, they will be
convinced by all and report that God is indeed among you (10)
no more than three persons in church services are to speak in
tongues (11) there must be an interpreter, if not, they are to be
silent, and not speak in tongues (12) the spirit of people with
gifts are subject to the person with that gift (verses 1-33).

     Number 12 above is very important, so many do not understand
or ignore this very clear point of Paul. A spiritual gift does
not control the person with it, the person with it CONTROLS the
gift. In Paul's mind there was no such thing as anyone saying,
"Well, I just could not help myself, the Spirit may me do it, the
Spirit made me speak." 

     Paul finishes this chapter by answering a question that they
had obviously asked about. As spiritual gifts could be given to
anyone, man or woman, then what about women speaking up in church
services ("when you come together" is the context, see verse 26)
and bringing sermons or sermonettes. Paul is very emphatic with
his answer. You can read it in verses 34-35. He is also emphatic
about who should teach the wife, if they had any questions about
what was said in services. The teacher was not to be the "elders"
or the "ministers" but their own HUSBANDS. 
     This means of course the husband better keep up on his
spiritual growth and maturity in Christian matters and Scriptural
understanding. 

     It is not the object of this Bible Story to go into all the
debate about "women" speaking in church services. That I have
done elsewhere in other in-depth studies.

     Was Paul just kinda giving his personal opinion on these
matters brought to his attention? NO! Not at all according to
Paul himself in verse 37,  where he said, "If anyone thinks
themselves to be a prophet, or spiritual, let them acknowledge
that the things that I write unto you, are the COMMANDMENTS of
the LORD."

     All things in a church service, "when you come together"
(verse 26) was to be done decently and in order (verses 40).

CHAPTER FIFTEEN

     The famous "resurrection chapter" of Paul's writings. Some
of the main points of Paul are: (1) Jesus did die and He was
resurrected again and was seen by him and Peter and many others
(2) some were teaching that there was no resurrection of the dead
(3) if that was true then Jesus was not resurrected (4) and if
that is also true then preaching and believing in Christ is a
huge waste of time and our faith is empty and we are still in
our sins, and those in Christ who have died are perished forever
(5) Christ is risen from the dead and has become the first man
ever to be raised from death to glorified eternal life (6) those
who die in Christ will be resurrected at His coming (7) Jesus
will reign until death is finally destroyed (8) the Kingdom will
then be placed in the hands of the Father (8) all this means we
are to awake to righteousness and sin not (9) but some had not
this knowledge when they should have had it, and so Paul said it
was to their shame (verses 1-34).

     Verse 29 has given some trouble to understand correctly, in
as much as physical people go through a water baptism for those
who have died and were not baptized in their life time. 
     Paul is not teaching we can somehow "get saved" through a
proxy baptism, those who have died without being baptised.
Baptism has to do with REPENTANCE  (see again Acts 2:38). Baptism
is for the LIVING not for the dead. The dead are sleeping, they
are not alive, thinking and reasoning, and walking around
somewhere. Those who died as sinners, without Christ, without
repentance from sins, without baptism, are not in some "limbo"
state of intermediate space, just waiting to contact some
physical human person and tell them they have repented of sin and
have accepted Christ as their Savior, and so that physical person
can be baptized for them, in their place. 
     God does have a plan of salvation for those never called to
salvation in their physical life time, but it sure does not
include this strange kind of doctrine that some hold, of physical
people getting baptized for those who have died and are dead.

     The context of Paul has been to do with the fact of the
resurrection, and that without the resurrection being true and
having taken place with Jesus, there is no HOPE, the Gospel is
useless to anyone if there is no sure hope of the resurrection,
and those who have already died are truly very lost and perished
forever.  So Paul says to them in verse 29, what will become of,
what hope is there then for do those who were baptized
for the very sure hope of the resurrection, if the dead do not
rise in a resurrection. He says to them, why on earth did they
then get baptized for the realization of what that baptism was
meaning, rising from death to immortal life, one day, if there is
no resurrection from the dead, as some of you are teaching?
     That is the meaning of verse 29 as within the entire context
of what Paul is saying to them. And it is within the entire
context of the whole Bible.  Baptism has a figurative meaning for
the present and for ther future.

     The next question Paul sets about to answer for them is
"What form, what body, does the resurrected one rise with when
resurrected to immortal life?" We can learn from Paul that: (1)
it is not the body you died with that rises in the resurrection
(2) there are different forms of "glory" even as we look at
things in this life (3) there is that of the sun, that of the
moon, that of the stars (4) we shall rise with incorruption, with
glory, with power (5) in the resurrection our body is spiritual,
made of immortal spirit (6) even Jesus in His resurrection was a
"life-giving Spirit" (7) those in the resurrection are like those
from heaven (8) flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God
- the physical body corrupts, goes back to dust - such cannot
inherit in-corruption (9) so we shall all be changed in a split
second, like the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet sounds
(10) then we mortals shall put on immortality, and we that
corrupt and turn to dust shall put on incorruption and death is
swallowed up in victory (11) sin has a sting - it is death, but
in Christ we can have victory over death (12) there is a
resurrection from death to immortal glorified spirit bodied
eternal life, and so Paul ended that wonderful chapter with:

"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be you steadfast, unmoveable,
always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as you know
that your labor is NOT in vain in the Lord."

CHAPTER SIXTEEN

     The first four verses of this chapter have been used by some
to try and establish the first day of the week as the New
Testament Sabbath day. As a young man of 19 coming to learn from
my "Baptist church" landlord in Canada, that Sunday was not the
7th day of the week, I was soon to find in some Evangelical
literature the use of this section of Paul, to uphold Sunday as
the Holy Sabbath day that was said Paul and the Corinthians (and
so the whole New Testament Church of God) were observing. This,
according to some was a "church offering collection during a
church service on the New Testament holy day of Sunday."
     I found this a rather strange idea at best and very bad
theology at worst. The section does not contain the phrase
"Lord's day" - it does not use the words "holy day." It says
nothing about "church service" or "when you come together" or
"the whole church be come together into one place" as Paul used
in chapter 14.  
     It is on the first day of the week, that Paul requests this
collection be done. But "let every one of you lay by him in
store" clearly indicates a personal "laying by" in a storage
place of each individual, not some "collection plate" being
passed around during a church service.
     The gathering was to be done before Paul arrived, and then
it was going to take "them" who were approved, to bring their
gift to Jerusalem. This hardly seems like a "money" collected on
a plate passed around in the one Corinthian Church of God
service.
If it was so, then Paul himself or just one other person would
have been able to have delivered it to the church at Jerusalem;
it would not have taken "them" or a number of persons to carry a
"money" offering to Jerusalem.

     But if it was concerning physical produce (food and clothing
and the like) for each to lay in their store, ready for when Paul
arrived, and to then send by "them approved" to Jerusalem, doing
that on a work day, the first of the week, would be quite a
natural thing to do.

     Paul intended to come to them for the winter, but would for
the present stay at Ephesus until Pentecost, for a door of
preaching the Gospel had been opened to him (verses 5-9).  This
strongly indicates Paul was still observing the feast day of
Pentecost.
     Paul would send Timothy to them, and he pleaded and
requested that they would receive him with peace, and love. Paul
wanted Apollos to go to them, but his will at that time was not
to go, yet he would come when it was convenient for him (verse
10-12)
     He was glad that Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus had
come to him from them, and had refreshed his spirit of mind and
theirs also. 
     Stephanas and his household are especially mentioned as the
"firstfruits" of the Gospel in Achaia. They had "addicted"
themselves to the service of the saints. The word "addicted"
gives us a very clear idea of the attitude and mind-set of this
household in wanting to serve the saints of God. We need add no
more. Paul was so thankful and so appreciative of their service
in the Lord that he called them, as the Greek can be rendered,
"co-workers" and he told the Corinthians to have such respect for
them that they would look up to them in submissive honor, and to
all the others that co-worked and labored with Paul (verses
13-18).

     Paul finishes this letter and epistle with his parting
salutation of verses 19-24. Aquila and Prescilla honored then
much in the Lord, as did all they of the "church that is in their
house." Indeed it was not always in a physical building like the
synagogue of the Jews where the brethren met for worship
services, by this time of about 54-56 A.D.
Christians were often meeting in "house churches."
     Paul once more, in closing, gives a serious note, that those
among them, who really did not love the Lord Jesus Christ, who
were play acting as Christians, were living a lie as saying they
loved Christ, "let them be" said Paul, "cursed" as the Greek
"Marana-tha" implies.

"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. My love be with
you all in Christ Jesus. Amen" (verses 19-24).

               ...............................

So ends the epistle of 1 Corinthians

April 2004

 

 

A HUGE FALSE DOCTRINE THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED

          IT'S TIME TO ANSWER THE IDEA THAT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST IS IN TWO PARTS, WITH YEARS BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTS. IT IS ONE OF THE FALSE TEACHING OF SOME FUNDAMENTAL PROPHETS OF PROTESTANT RELIGION.

THIS IS A LONG STUDY, SO ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES, TAKE A DEEP BREATH; IT IS MOST NEEDFUL I ANSWER THIS VERY FALSE TEACHING.


Christ's Coming in TWO parts?

FUNDAMENTAL PROTESTANT RAPTURE TEACHINGS

RETURN OF CHRIST IN TWO PARTS?

I ANSWER:

TWO OF THE MOST POPULAR AND WELL-KNOWN PROTESTANT PROPHETS - TIM
LAHAYE AND ED HINDSON, HAVE GIVEN A LENGTHY EXPLANATION TO THE
FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN TEACHING EMBRACED BY THEIR FOLLOWERS, ON
THE "RAPTURE."

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT "RAPTURE" TO THEM MEANS "RESURRECTION"
BUT HOW THEY PUT THIS RESURRECTION TRUTH OF THE BIBLE TOGETHER
WITH CHRIST'S COMING ..... WELL THAT IS A DIFFERENT MATTER
ALTOGETHER.

THIS IS A SOMEWHAT LONG STUDY, BUT I NEED TO ANSWER THESE
FUNDAMENTAL GUYS SO YOU THE READER CAN SEE THE FOLLY OF AND THE
DECEPTIVE WAY THEY THINK AND CANNOT PUT SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE,
TO ASCERTAIN THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

WE START WITH LAHAYE AND HINDSON - Keith Hunt
......


THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH is one of the most compelling and
exciting prophetic events in the Bible. It is clearly taught in 1
Thessalonians 4:15-18 (NKJV), where the apostle Paul provides us
with these details:

     This we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are
     alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no
     means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself
     will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an
     archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in
     Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain
     shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet
     the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the
     Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

This passage of Scripture delineates five stages to the rapture:

(Remember now "rapture" is here understood as "resurrection" -
which is true - Keith Hunt)

(1) The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout and
with the sound of a trumpet, (2) the dead in Christ will
rise first, (3) we who are alive and remain on the earth will be
"caught up" (Greek, "harpazo") together with them in the clouds,
(4) we will meet the Lord, and (5) we shall always be with Him.

(So far so good - the 5 points are indeed what 1 Thes.4:15-18
cover - Keith Hunt)

The apostle Paul also unveiled what he called a mystery
pertaining to the rapture. In 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, He
explained that some Christians would not sleep (die), but their
bodies would be instantly transformed.

     Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we
     shall all be changed-in a moment, in the twinkling of an
     eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and
     the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be
     changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and
     this mortal must put on immortality.

(Correct so far. The resurrection to eternal life takes place at
the LAST trumpet! Notice it, mark it "last trumpet." So there is
then more than one trumpet sound. The book of Revelation gives us
7 trumpers  - Keith Hunt)

This is what will happen when the rapture rakes place: Without
warning, the bodies of all believers who have died since the day
of Pentecost will suddenly be transformed into new, living,
immortal, resurrected bodies. Even those whose bodies have long
since decayed or whose ashes have been scattered out over the
oceans will receive a new body. This new body will be joined
together with the person's spirit, which Jesus will bring with
Him. Then the bodies of those who have likewise accepted Christ
as their Savior and are alive at that moment will also be
instantly translated into new immortal bodies. Together, all
believers will be instantaneously transported into the heavens to
meet the Lord. Those who are alive and have rejected the
salvation of Jesus Christ will remain behind on earth and will
witness a miraculous event of astonishing proportions - the
sudden mass disappearance of millions upon millions of people
from the face of the earth.

(Now we start into their truth and error. First, it is not only
those since Pentecost who will be in this resurrection. It will
be ALL true saints or children of God since Adam. Many verses in
the entire Bible prove EVERY child of God since Adam will be
resurrected at the last trumpet. The Bible nowhere speaks of some
OTHER resurrection at some OTHER time for those children in God,
before the NT Pentecost. You search the Scriptures and see if you
can find any such mention of another resurrection for saints from
Adam to Pentecost. I'll give you one thousand dollars if you can
find it. 
The idea that the unsaved will witness the disappearance of
MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS from the earth, is another deceptive
falsehood of the fundamental prophets. Their idea on this
contradicts the plain teachings of Jesus, who said His "flock"
would be the "little flock" (the Greek means "very little flock"
- it's a double diminutive in the Greek); He also said His
followers would be the "salt of the earth" - salt among the meal
is very little, sprinkled here and there. According to Jesus
in Matthew 24 it is the MANY who are deceived, in fact before
He comes again He said deception would be so great that IF it
possible even the elect would be deceived - Keith Hunt)

THE BLESSED HOPE

The rapture is often referred to as "the blessed hope" (Titus
2:13) because it provides assurance to believers who are
concerned about the coming Tribulation, and it offers comfort to
those who long to be reunited with their departed loved ones who
share a faith in Christ.

(Yes the resurrection is a "blessed hope" but now you try to find
where this blessed hope of the resurrection is tied in with the
coming "tribulation" - see if you can find "resurrection" and
"tribulation" put together as resurrection from "the tribulation"
is our hope. Just another slight of hand talk as if it is a fact
that resurrection offers hope for those concerned about the
coming tribulation. True the resurrection does offer comfort to
be with other dead true saints of God, but again a slight of hand
talk to sooth and dull your mind, as the truth is many of your
loved ones may not have been true Christians at all, and will not
be in this resurrection at the last trumpet sound. The slight of
hand is the idea that the majority of "Christians" are true
Christians, when in fact true Christians are the salt of the
earth, and not the millions as they want you to believe - Keith Hunt)

The more than 300 biblical references to the second coming of
Christ clearly show that His return has two distinct phases. The
contrasting elements cannot be merged into a single event (see
the article titled "Second Coming of Christ"). 

(Notice the DOGMATIC claim about the 300 references to the second
coming of Christ. They are very dogmatic that Jesus' return is in
TWO PHASES, and cannot be merged into a single event. Now these
two men are so "looked up to" in the fundamental Protestant
world that most of their readers will say, "It has to be so, for
these men are such giants of the Scriptures, such great leaders
in the Christian fundamental world, they must be correct." And so
tens or hundreds of thousands will accept their word as "gospel"
as we say. AND do not think for one moment these two guys (Lahaye
and Hindson) do not know this. They know their readers look to
them with "awe" and "are spell-bound" with what they say and
write. Those guys know their readers will accept what words come
from them, with no questioning. Hence right at the beginning they
have tranquilized their readers - they have them hooked as we say
- Keith Hunt)


In the first phase, He will come suddenly to rapture His church
in the air and take all believers to His Father's house in
fulfilment of His promise in John 14:1-3. There, they will
appear before the judgment seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:8-10).

(Now they move on after tranquilizing their readers, with more
clever brain-washing, and throw in a few Scriptures. They tell
their readers Jesus will come and take His believers to heaven
and throw in John 14:1-3. Now turn to that passage, open up your
Bible. See if you can find the word "heaven" in those 3 verses.
Nope it ain't there! Heaven, going back to heaven, is not
mentioned at all. All that Jesus says is He will come and receive
His followers, and where He is in receiving them, "where I am" He
says "there you may be also." Put that with 1 Thes. 4:13-17 [that
Lahaye and Hindson have already given you] and the Bible
interprets the Bible - the saints of God meet, receive Christ in
the AIR, in the CLOUDS, and shall ever be with Him. But 1
Thes.4:13-17 does NOT tell you WHERE Christ will be after He has
received the saints in the clouds, in the air. You must let OTHER
verses of Scripture tell you that; letting the Bible interpret
itself. 
Now concerning 2 Cor.5:8-10. Again see if you can find the word
"heaven" or "Father's throne" or "in heaven" - nope it ain't
there! Now you can find "present with the Lord." So the question
you should be asking is "WHEN are we present with the Lord?" Even
Lahaye and Hindson have given you that answer, as they gave you 1
Thes. 4:13-18 and 1 Cor.15:50-53 - at the LAST trumpet sound,
when Jesus comes to receive the saints in the AIR, in the
CLOUDS. 
SO, again with slight of hand, knowing their readers will lap up
their words as "gospel" they take John 14:1-3 and 2 Cor.5:8-10
and TELL YOU it is all IN HEAVEN in the Father's house. I've show
you in other studies that the Father's house is the Kingdom of
God, which Jesus will bring with Him on His return, to set up the
Kingdom of God on earth for the first 1,000 years. There is
nothing in John 14:1-3 and 2 Cor.5:8-10 that says the saints GO
BACK TO HEAVEN WHERE THE FATHER IS, after Jesus has received the
saints in the CLOUDS, in the AIR of this earth. And to PROVE they
do not, you let the Bible interpret the Bible. So you go to
Zechariah 14 and there you CLEARLY see that in the day the
Messiah Jesus returns, His feet stand on the Mount of Olives, and
Jesus is Lord of all; the Kingdom of God has come to earth, as
mentioned in dozens of passages in the Bible. 
OH the simplicity of the Bible when you let the Bible interpret
itself - Keith Hunt)

While the believers are in heaven, those left behind on the earth
will experience the trials of the seven-year Tribulation period.

(And once more Lahaye and Hindson just tell you what will then
happen. They know they have their readers already under their
spell. They know their readers are mainly Bible illiterates,
people who never check up, never question, never search the
Scriptures. They know their readers have already been brain-
washed to accept millions [as they think] will escape the great
tribulation, which is for 7 years - another brain-washing
teaching that the fundamental prophets have seared into the minds
of their followers. Lahaye and Hindson already know the idea of
escaping via an invisible coming of Christ. The 7 year great
tribulation, has already been accepted by hundreds of thousands
of fundamental Christians, so they just tell the people what the
people want to hear, what they have been brian-washed into
accepting from these [and others] "great" and "awesome" teachers
of fundamental Christianity. So they know it's easy to just say
words, for they are speaking to "no-searchers of the Scriptures"
to people who will not prove all things and hold to that which is
good - Keith Hunt)

In the second phase of Jesus' second coming (the glorious
appearing), He will return to earth in great power and glory to
set up His millennial kingdom. 

(And so we go again. Lahaye and Hindson, just continue with what
they know the many they write to have accepted already, what many
of their "minister friends" have taught for decades, what has
been brain-washed into the minds of all their followers. They
continue with the SECOND PHASE of the coming of Christ. After
Jesus has gone back to heaven with the saints, for 7 years, He
will come in phase two, in "glorious appearing" to set up the
Kingdom of God on earth for the millennium or 1,000 years - Keith
Hunt)

The entire second coming has been compared to a two-act play (the
rapture and the glorious appearing) with a seven-year
intermission (the Tribulation). 

(Yep....indeed, so many fundamental prophets have taught this
"two-act play" - taught it for decades, drubbed it into their
hearers, their followers, branded it in their minds so deeply,
their sheep just do not question it. Their sheep are asleep, and
the fundamental prophets know it. They themselves are blinded, so
the blind follow the blind. The blind continue to teach this idea
of two phases of Christ's return with a 7 year tribulation
in-between, and the blind followers keep following the blind
teachers. So the blind teachers says words as if it is fact, and
their blind followers believe the words as it is fact. So the
circle continues - Keith Hunt)

The apostle Paul distinguishes between these two phases in Titus
2:13, where he refers to the rapture as the "blessed hope" and
the return of Christ to the earth as "the glorious appearing."

(Whattttt.... to put the phrase "blessed hope" and "glorious
appearing" - to interpret for you that this one verse is
teaching a "two phase" return of Christ, with one phase as a
"secret rapture" and another phase as a visible "glorious
appearing" with 7 years tribulation between the two phases, IS 
PUTTING INTO THIS VERSE THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOT THERE PERIOD. No
word "tribulation" is there. No word "phase" is there. No word
"two" is there. No word "seven" or "years" or "heaven" is there.
The hope and appearance can just as easily be Paul speaking about
the SAME event - it is "the hope" and it is "the glorious
appearing." The hope is the resurrection for the saints as 1 Cor.
15 shows. The glorious appearing is Jesus coming in glory.
Putting 1 Cor.15 with 1 Thes.4:13-18 - letting the Bible
interpret the Bible. Putting 1 Cor. 15 with 1 Thes.4:13-18 WITH
Zechariah 14, YOU HAVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER! Then add
Revelation 11:15-18 and add also Matthew 24:29-31 and you have
more of the truth of the matter. I mean a child can put those
verses together and add them up to ONE COMING of Christ [not a
two-phased coming] that is BOTH a great hope and a great
appearing. 
But again Lahaye and Hindson are writing to people who have been
brain-washed for decades, who have accepted a two-phased coming
of Christ, secret and glorious, with 7 years between them. Lahaye
and Hindson are writing to themselves [and other minister
friends] who are so brain-washed by this secret and open two-
phased return of Jesus that to them Titus 2:13 is speaking about
two phases with 7 years between the phases. They read into this
verse exactly what they want to read into it, so the circle is
unbroken - round and round it goes - Keith Hunt) 


WHAT DOES RAPTURE MEAN?

The English word rapture comes from the Latin word "raptus,"
which in Latin Bibles translates the Greek word "harpazo," used
14 times in the New Testament. The basic idea of the word is "to
suddenly remove or snatch away." It is used by the New Testament
writers in reference to stealing or plundering (Matthew 11:12;
12:29; 13:19; John 10:12,28-29) and removing (John 6:15; Acts
8:39; 23:10; Jude 23).
The New Testament employs a third use, which focuses on being
caught up to heaven. It describes Paul's "third heaven"
experience (2 Corinthians 12:2,4) and Christ's ascension to
heaven (Revelation 12:5). Obviously, "harpazo" is the perfect
word to describe God suddenly taking up the church from earth to
heaven at the first part of Christ's second coming.

(Now they start to add some technical stuff; oh this will really
sound good and "scholarly" to their readers; the readers will
really stand in "awe" now. The Greek word means what it means and
can be used in various contexts. No argument. I agree. And anyone
with any common sense that reads about the resurrection of the
saints, knows it will be sudden; in the twinkle of an eye Paul
says those living to see Jesus return will be changed from mortal
to immortality, at the LAST trump - 1 Cor.15. But Lahaye and Hindson 
go on to say, "Obviously 'harpazo' is the perfect word to describe God
SUDDENLY TAKING UP THE CHURCH FROM EARTH TO HEAVEN AT THE FIRST
PART OF CHRIST'S SECOND COMING."
Did you notice it? Did you get it? Along with the technical word 
[which I have no argument with] they do more word adding from
themselves: "taking up the church from earth to heaven at the
first part of Christ's coming." Go to a Bible lexicon, go to
Strong's Concordance, and see if when looking up this word
"harpazo" you can find "taking up the church from earth to heaven
at the first part of Christ's second coming." Give you 10,000
dollars if you can. Lahaye and Hindson have added their decades
long teaching of a "secret invisible" return with a "first part"
of Christ's second coming.
To the brain-washed follower of the fundamental prophets
teaching, all this sounds real good, for the guys have added some
"technical" stuff to their teaching..... wow stand in awe again!
Of course the resurrection will be sudden and unexpected by the
un-Christian world, and by the false Christians who will be at
the time following the false prophet of the book of Revelation -
Keith Hunt)

WILL THE RAPTURE BE PRETRIBULATIONAL?

The Church Is Not on Earth in Revelation 4-18
The common New Testament term for church (Greek, ekklesia) is
used 19 times in Revelation 1-3, which deals with the historical
church of the first century. However, Revelation uses church once
more - at the very end (22:16), where John returns to addressing
the first-century church. Most interesting is the fact that
nowhere during the Tribulation period is the term church used in
reference to believers on earth.

(This technical argument I have proven to be totally false and
again a made up fancy of the fundamental prophets who want to
hold to a two-phased second coming of Christ, a secret rapture
and a glorious appearing, with 7 years between them. I've
answered this argument in other studies on the "Secret Rapture"
teaching on this website. I refer the reader to those other
studies - Keith Hunt)

John's shift from his detailed instructions for the church to his
absolute silence about the church for many chapters is remarkable
and totally unexpected if in fact the church continued into the
Tribulation. If the church were to experience the Tribulation
(the seventieth week of Daniel 9), then surely the most detailed
study of Tribulation events would include instructions for the
church. But it doesn't. The only explanation for this frequent
mention of the church in Revelation 1-3 and total absence of the
church on earth until Revelation 22:16 is a pretribulation
rapture, which will relocate the church from earth to heaven
prior to the Tribulation.

(Again I refer the reader to my other studies in which I prove
Lahaye and Hindson [with their other minister friends] to be in
total error on the point they now bring up. And in those other
studies I prove there will be NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE of the
saints to heaven while the earth goes under a 7 year great
tribulation period - Keith Hunt)


A POSTtribulational Rapture Is Inconsequential

If God miraculously preserves the church through the Tribulation,
why have a rapture? If it is to avoid the wrath of God at
Armageddon (at the end of the Tribulation), then why would God
not continue to protect the saints on earth (as is postulated by
posttribulationism) just as He protected Israel (see Exodus 8:22;
9:4,26; 10:23; 11:7) from His wrath poured out upon Pharaoh and
Egypt? Further, if the purpose of the rapture is for living
saints to avoid Armageddon, why also resurrect the saints (who
are already immune) at the same time?

(There is NO teaching in the Bible of some "rapture" of the
church to avoid "the day of the Lord" or some other mighty
events, before Jesus comes in power and visible glory. The
rapture or resurrection comes AFTER God has preserved some of His
saints during the tribulation and day of the Lord. The rapture or
resurrection comes at the LAST trumpet sound, at the time Jesus
comes ONCE only, visible and glorious, to resurrect the dead
saints and to change the living saints to immortality; to receive
them all in the clouds, in the air of this earth, and in that day
(Zech. 14) to set foot on the Mount of Olives, and to establish
the Kingdom of God on earth. See my many other studies on this
subject on this website, under "prophecy" - Keith Hunt)

If the rapture took place in connection with our Lord's
posttribulational glorious appearing, the subsequent separation
of the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-46)
would be redundant. Separation would have taken place in the very
act of translation.

(Lahaye and Hindson have a mind that reads right over words of
the Bible. So it is often with false prophets and false teachers
of the Bible. Open your Bible. Turn to Matthew 25. Start reading
from verse 31. Did you notice the last words? If not look again -
what does it say? It says, "THEN [after His coming in glory, with
the holy angels - see Matt. 24:30,31] SHALL HE SIT UPON THE
THRONE OF HIS GLORY!!!"
Now go to Luke 1:31-33. Jesus is to receive the THRONE OF DAVID
and a Kingdom that shall last forever - no end. Jesus has NOT YET
been given the throne of David. Jesus has not yet returned to
establish a Kingdom that will have no end. Neither of these
things did Jesus receive in His physical life on earth. When He
returns in GLORY, He will sit upon the throne of David. THEN -
THEN, the sheep will be divided from the goats - THEN - DURING
THE 1,000 YEAR AGE, when Jesus rules the nations of earth for
1,000 years will the sheep be divided from the goats.
OH the folly, and the stupid reading that some fundamental prophets
have in reading the Bible - Keith Hunt) 

If all Tribulation-era believers are raptured and glorified after
the Tribulation and just prior to the inauguration of the
millennial kingdom, who then will be left to populate and
propagate the kingdom? 

(This is another case where Lahaye and Hindson minds are all
mixed up and up-side-down and in-side-out. The people left after
the saints are resurrected and made immortal at the coming of
Christ in glory, after the great tribulation and day of the Lord,
will be the physical people of the earth, whom Jesus and the
saints will rule and bring salvation to. They will be the ones
where the dividing of the sheep from the goats will take place,
all during that 1,000 year age - Keith Hunt)

The Scriptures indicate that God will judge the living
unbelievers at the end of the Tribulation and remove them from
the earth (see Matthew 13:41-42; 25:41). 

(The context of the above verses given and many other passages of
the entire Bible, show that the dividing of sheep from goats,
takes place over 1,000 years, and then the goats or chaff are put
in the furnace of fire - the second death - see Revelation 20.
There is judgment on the nations of the earth at the coming of
Christ, but passage after passage in the books of the holy
prophets of the Bible, CLEARLY teach, NOT ALL SINNERS, not ALL
unbelievers will be removed from the earth at Christ's coming.
This is not just an "indication" this is absolute dogmatic truth
that all the prophetic books of the Bible teach - Keith Hunt)

Yet they also teach that children will be born to believers
during the millennium and that these children will be capable of
sin (see Isaiah 65:20; Revelation 20:7-10). This would not be
possible if all the believers on earth were glorified through a
posttribulational rapture.

(Again, Lahaye and Hindson have things mixed up, and little
understanding of Bible prophecy. At the return of Christ all past
and living saints will be in that first resurrection to
immortality. But physical people will STILL be on earth [as I
prove in many studies on this website] - they, most of them, in
time will be converted, they will become believers. They will still
be physical. They will marry and have children. Physical
believers will continue to reproduce and have children. And yes
sin can still be done, if a person chooses to sin. God will never
make humans into robots - free moral will, will still be in each
physical human during that 1,000 year age. All this is fully
expounded upon in my many studies on the age to come  - Keith
Hunt)

A posttribulational rapture and the church's supposed immediate
return to earth leaves no time for the "bema" - the judgment seat
of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-15; 2 Corinthians 5:10). For these
reasons, a posttribulational rapture makes no logical sense. A
pretribulational rapture, by contrast, does not leave us with
these insurmountable difficulties.

(There are no difficulties as Lahaye and Hindson would like you
to believe. The judgment seat of Christ is when the saints stand
before Christ on the sea of glass, when He returns, when the
resurrection takes place, after the great tribulation and day of
the Lord, after the 6 trumpets blow, and when the last and 7th
trumpet blows. Seven trumpets only are given in the book of
Revelation - the 7th is the resurrection to immortality for the
dead and living saints of God. They meet Christ in the air, in the
clouds, on the sea of glass. The judgment day for them has
arrived. They are before Christ and receive their rewards
according to their works. The "judgment seat of Christ" or
"Judgment Day" is also NOT understood by Lahaye and Hindson and
Catholicism and Protestantism. You need to study my study "The
Truth about Judgment Day" on this website - Keith Hunt)
 
The Tribulation Is Not Impending

All through the New Testament epistles, God gave many
instructions to the church, including warnings, but never once
are believers warned to prepare for entering and enduring the
Tribulation (Daniel's seventieth week).

(Whatttt.... I get blown-away by the silly ideas and the obvious
silly reading of the Bible by these fundamental prophets. They
just have to read Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; as a child [I
used to read those chapters over and over again as a child] but
child reading is far from them. I knew as a child that Jesus in
the Gospels, gave warnings to be prepared for persecutions to
come on Christians, then, today, and tomorrow. It is all over the
New Testament. We are to endure trials, persecutions; we are to
fight the good fight; we are to remain faithful to the end; we
are to put on the whole armor of God to withstand the wiles of
the Devil; we are to be willing to die for the truth; we are to
stand up and be counted; we are to remember as Jesus said, "They
who kill you will think they do God service." The truth about
Daniel's 70th week is also on this website in detail. It is NOT
what the fundamental prophets teach - Keith Hunt)

The New Testament warns vigorously about coming error and false
prophets (Acts 20:29-30; 2 Peter 2:1;1 John 4:1-3; Jude 4) and
against ungodly living (Ephesians 4:25-5:7; 1 Thessalonians
4:3-8; Hebrews 12:1). The New Testament even admonishes believers
to endure in the midst of present tribulation (i Thessalonians
2:13-14; 2 Thessalonians 1:4; and all of 1 Peter). However, the
New Testament is absolutely silent about the church preparing for
the Tribulation as described in Revelation 6-18.

(They think it is silent but it is not, for the NT it is just an
expected thing in life, life at the end time. Revelation 12 - the
story of the true Church of God. Like other ages in history,
there comes persecution, along with it comes death for some
Christians, and others are spared. It has been this way from the
beginning of human time. It is this way today. Some Christians in
some countries face death for being Christians, some do die, some
do not. Tomorrow will be the same - some will have to die for the
faith once delivered to the saints, some will be spared, they
will live on. So it has always been - see Hebrews 11. So it shall
be to the end of this age. Revelation 12 and the true Church of
God - some will die for the faith during the last years of this
age, some will escape to the wilderness and live on right to the
coming of Christ, those are the ones whom Paul says will be
changed in a twinkle of an eye at Jesus' coming, from mortal to
immortal - Keith Hunt)
 
The Scriptures would certainly not be silent about such a major
and traumatic period of time for the church. If the rapture were
to happen partway through or at the end of the Tribulation, one
would expect the epistles to teach the presence, purpose, and
conduct of the church during the Tribulation. However, we find
none of this teaching whatsoever. Only a pretribulation rapture
satisfactorily explains the lack of such instructions.


(Garbage to Lahaye and Hindson comments - the more I read these
fundamental prophets the angrier I get. Nothing could be further
from the truth. But people do not want the truth, they want nice
sweet words to comfort them, put them to sleep, and so the
fundamental prophets give them those word, and probably
themselves also, for most of them, do not want to think they have
to stiffen their back-bone, stand up to be counted, put their
life on the line, even have to die for the truth. So a nice
secret rapture to take you to heaven and restful bliss for 7
years, while the world falls apart, blows itself to bits, and all
kinds of horrible things go on in a tribulation that Jesus said
would be the greatest tribulation to ever come on earth in human
history. The Bible gives examples after examples, teaching after
teaching, both Old and New Testament, that persecutions and even
death have come upon God's people at times, sometimes more often,
sometimes not as often. In the end time, the last 42 months, 1260
days [book of Revelation] God's true Church will again experience
persecutions unto death for some, and escape into the wilderness
for others. All expounded for you in detail in many studies on
this website including the book of Revelation under "The New
Testament Bible Story"  - Keith Hunt)

The Content of 1 Thessalonians 4:73-78 Let us hypothetically
suppose for a moment that the rapture is not pretribulational.
What would we expect to find in 1 Thessalonians 4? How does this
compare with what we observe there?

We would expect the Thessalonians to be joyous over the fact that
loved ones are home with the Lord and will not have to endure the
horrors of the Tribulation. But we discover that the
Thessalonians are actually grieving because they fear their loved
ones have missed the rapture. Only the possibility of a
pretribulation rapture accounts for this grief.

(Paul in 1 Thes. 4:13-18 is answering the sorrow and IGNORANCE
that some had in their mind, about those who had fallen asleep in
death. Many of his readers did not know the truths of God on this
matter. They were thinking and acting like the world - no hope in
death. Paul is having to help them, correct them, give them true
instruction about death. Obviously many did not know the answer
to death. There was no fear that their loved ones have missed the
rapture. They were IGNORANT about the "death question" - they did
not know, had to be instructed, in the death question. The world,
as many today say, there is nothing after death, no hope of some
life after death, so live to the fullest now, wine, women, and
song. 
This passage of Paul has nothing to do with some "secret rapture"
or any "rapture" per se. It has to do with Paul having to
instruct some who did not know about death and the plan of God.
He had to tell them there was hope, it was not like the world
viewed death, BECAUSE God would have a RESURRECTION BACK TO LIFE
FOR ALL SAINTS, DEAD OR ALIVE, AND IT WOULD BE WITH A TRUMP, AND
THE AT CHRIST'S COMING; THE SAINTS DEAD OR ALIVE WOULD MEET
CHRIST IN THE AIR, THE CLOUDS, AND BE WITH HIM FOREVER - Keith
Hunt)

We would also expect the Thessalonians to be grieving over their
own impending trial rather than over loved ones. Furthermore, we
would expect them to be inquisitive about their own future doom.
But the Thessalonians have no fears or questions about the coming
Tribulation.

(Well that is simple to answer. They had no fear or questions
about any coming tribulation, for they knew as Christians,
tribulation may very well come. I mean Paul was a great example
for them. They would see what Paul at times had to go through in
persecution and tribulation. They had known Stephen had been
killed for speaking the truth. They had known James and probably
others as we see in the book of Acts, were persecuted and even
killed. Going through tribulation was not a question with them,
of course not. For such was to be expected at times. Tribulation
for the faith of Christ was all around them, some persecuted even
unto death, others not. They had the apostle John, who seemed to
be free from any large tribulation, and as the century went on,
John lived to a ripe old age, while others like Paul and Peter
were killed for the faith. They had the words of Christ, that
persecution could come on you if you followed Him. Even Jesus
saying some who would kill you would think they were doing God a
service. They had no fear or questions about coming tribulations
because they did know the answer to that question - it could
come, and they could die for the faith, while others would live
on - Keith Hunt)
 
Finally, we would expect Paul, even in the absence of interest or
questions by the Thessalonians, to provide instructions and
exhortation for such a supreme test, which would make their
present tribulation seem microscopic in comparison. But we find
not even one indication of any impending tribulation of this
kind. Given the scenario in 1 Thessalonians 4, only the
possibility of a pretribulation rapture makes sense.

(Nope wrong again for Lahaye and Hindson. They knew the answer to
tribulation, small or great. It could come, small or great, short
or long. They had examples in the Old Testament of God's saints
under persecution, even to death - Hebrews 11. They had Paul's example 
of many persecutions, perils, stonings, beatings, and some saints who had
already been put to death for Christ. They very well knew the answer 
to tribulations. No need to ask Paul about it, or to be ignorant about 
that issue - Keith Hunt)


John 14.1-3 Parallels 1 Thessalonians 4.73-78 

John 14:1-3 refers to Christ's coming again. It is not a promise
to all believers that they will go to Him at death. Rather, it
refers to the rapture of the church. Note the close parallels
between the promises of John 14:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
First, consider the promises of a presence with Christ: "... that
where I am, there you may be also" (John 14:3), and "Thus we
shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Second,
note the promises of comfort: "Let not your heart be troubled"
(John 14:1), and "Therefore comfort one another with these words"
(I Thessalonians 4:18).

(Okay all good so far in the phrases picked out - Keith Hunt)

Jesus instructed the disciples that He was going to His Father's
house (heaven) to prepare a place for them. He promised them that
He would return and receive them so that they could be with Him
wherever He was.
The phrase "wherever I am," while implying a continued presence
in general, here means presence in heaven in particular. 

(Now Lahaye and Hindson start to go off track - "where I am" they
say "here means presence in heaven in particular." Now you try to
find the word "heaven" in this passage under discussion. Nope it
ain't there. It is someone reading into it what they want you to
read into it. They want to get this teaching of their's into your
mind, so they put words in the passage that are not there. They
pretty well know, most, the majority, of their readers look to
them for understanding the Bible [as most readers do little if
any Bible research for themselves]. They know most of their readers
stand in "awe" of them, so it is easy for them to "lead you down
the garden path." They tell you John is writing here that Jesus
meant you are going to heaven, even if Jesus did not say that at
all; they want you to believe it is most definitely implied -
Keith Hunt)

Our Lord told the Pharisees in John 7:34, "Where I am you cannot
come." He was not talking about His present abode on earth, but
rather, His resurrected presence at the right hand of the Father.
In John 14:3, "where I am" must mean "in heaven," or 14:1-3 would
be meaningless.

(The first one is correct as they put it. But now they want you
to hook John 14:1-3 with the first one they mention. But the
Bible has a context to all verses. And the Bible must interpret
itself. If Jesus had and wanted His followers to clearly know
that they would one day "get to heaven to be with him" it would
have been very easy for Jesus to have said, "Where I am in
heaven" or "Where I am you also will be with me in heaven."
Jesus said no such words. Now the fundamental people and just
about all Christianity teach that SOMEDAY you will "get to
heaven" - they may vary on the WHEN, but they all teach, one day
Christians will get to heaven, even the seventh Day Adventists 
teach it. So again reading into this verse that this is what Jesus 
was teaching, makes sense to them, for they all believe one day 
Christians will be with Christ in heaven.
Stop and think now, what if the religious Jews of Jesus' day did
not think about heaven as you going there, at death [if your a
good Jew or Christian] or think about it in the way Christians
today think about it .... just got to be there. What if many or
most of the religious Jews believed death was death, and only a
resurrection by God could bring you back to life. And what if
those Jews [and Christians] knew the Messiah would come and set
up a Kingdom over the nations of the earth, live on earth, rule
from Jerusalem. And what if with that idea in mind they knew the
resurrection would take place at the Messiah's coming, and so
they would be with Him on earth, via a resurrection from death. 
Now if all that was so with the religious Jews and Christians of
the first century, then the words of Jesus saying He would go and
prepare a place for them, come again, receive them, and wherever
He was they would be also, would be taken quite differently.
Well I submit to you, those words by Jesus would NOT be taken as 
Christians today want to take them.
And we also then must let the Bible interpret the Bible. Jesus
certainly taught He would come again, and His followers when He
came would be with Him. So when Jesus comes again, when His
people are with Him, where does He go? The answer is found in
Zechariah 14. Notice the words "in that day" and "mount of
Olives." And note verse 7 and Jesus saying in the Gospels that
only the Father new the day of Christ's return. 
It should all start to jell with you by now, if you have your
Bible open and ARE seeing the words for yourself - Keith Hunt)

A posttribulation rapture would require that the saints meet
Christ in the air and immediately descend to earth without
experiencing what our Lord promised in John 14. Because John 14
refers to the rapture, only a pretribulation rapture satisfies
the language of John 14:1-3 and allows raptured saints to dwell
for a meaningful period of time with Christ in His Father's
house.

(I have answered John 14:1-3 in another study on this website,
but I'm also answering it here. John 14:1-3 has nothing to do
about "going to heaven" - the word "heaven" is not there. As
shocking as it may sound, the Bible nowhere promises that
Christians will "get to heaven" or "be with Christ in heaven" or
"sit in heaven with the Father" - that is the heaven where the
Father and Jesus now live. The fundamental prophets do teach that
Jesus will rule the earth and the nations upon it for 1,000
years. They, or most of them now, from what I read in their
literature, do teach the new heaven and new earth, and God the
Father coming to the new earth. But ... but, and this seems
desperately important to them, somehow Christians have to get to
heaven. If it's not at death [many of them now know the immortal
soul idea has much difficulties] then they say, "when can we get
this going to heaven in?" Ah, they will as Lahaye and Hindson
have done "get going to heaven" in with a pre-tribulation, secret
rapture teaching. At least they say you can get to heaven for 7
years - Keith Hunt)


The Rapture and the Return

A comparison of the rapture (1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1
Thessalonians 4:13-IS) with the glorious appearing (Matthew
24-25) reveals at least eight significant contrasts or
differences. These differences demand that the rapture occur at a
significantly different time from Christ's glorious appearing:

(Oh it does? Well we shall see, we'll look at what they say -
Keith Hunt)

1. At the rapture, Christ comes in the air and returns to heaven
(1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the glorious appearing, Christ comes
to the earth to dwell and reign (Matthew 25:31-32).

(Nope 1 Thes.4:17 does not say Christ returns to heaven. You have
to read that into the passage. It says we meet Him in the air,
the clouds, and we stay with Him. Where He goes from there you
have to let other verses tell you - again Zech.14. The glorious
coming, which is NOT a separate phase of two phases of His
coming, Jesus does indeed return to earth - Zech.14 again - Keith
Hunt)

2. At the rapture, Christ gathers His own (1 Thessalonians
4:16-17). At the glorious appearing, angels gather the elect
(Matthew 24:31).

(Bible semantics. One verse tells you it is Christ gathering,
another verse tells you HOW Christ will gather. By the authority
of Christ, the angels go forth to gather, in so doing it is also
Christ that gathers. The Bible is full of such talk, one verse
putting it this way, and another verse making to plain or in more
detail, as to how the other verse is carried out - Keith Hunt)

3. At the rapture, Christ comes to reward (I Thessalonians 4:17).
At the glorious appearing, Christ comes to judge (Matthew
25:31-46).

(Again, grasping at straws. Many events take place at the coming
in glory of Christ the Messiah. Breaking it up can be easy to do
IF you have a reason for doing it, and the fundamental prophets
with their secret rapture, 7 years in heaven for the saints, have
one huge reason to break things up and put them in an order the
Bible does not put them. Many things take place when the Messiah
comes. If you read my expounding of all the prophetic books of
the Bible on this website, you will come to see MANY things take
place at the return of Christ. Pouring out the seven last
plagues, hailstones, battle of Armageddon, resurrection of the
saints, rewards handed out, judgment on the Beast power, judgment
on the beast man and the false prophet and etc. to name a few -
Keith Hunt)

4. The rapture, resurrection is prominent (1 Thessalonians
4:15-16). At the glorious appearing, resurrection is not
mentioned.

(God does not have to mention the same things in the same
context, but in different passages. He is not obliged to follow
the arguments of Lahaye and Hindson on this point. God is God. He
sets the rules by which He desires to write. What is mentioned in
one passage about the same event, does not have to be exactly the
same things mentioned in another passage about the same event.
This kind of argument makes people say, "Well you can prove
anything by the Bible" and so the skeptic walks on thumbing their
nose at God and the Bible and people who prove anything from the
Bible - Keith Hunt)

5. At the rapture, believers depart the earth (1 Thessalonians
4:15-17). At the glorious appearing, unbelievers are taken away
from the earth (Matthew 24:37-41).

(Of course at the resurrection saints are raised from the dead,
living saints are changed, all leave the earth to meet Christ in
the air, in the clouds. Matthew 24:37-41 is completely
misunderstood by Lahaye and Hindson. I have expounded this
passage fully in other studies on this website, under prophecy.
Briefly: the context is the day of Christ's return verse 36. The
world will not expect it, just as they were not expecting the
flood of Noah's day. It is the day of Christ's return. Saints
will be on this earth, as I've proved in other studies. They will
be here and there. Some will be converted during the great
tribulation and day of the Lord; the book of Revelation says 144,000
from the tribes of Israel - Rev.7. Some will be around the un-
converted. The converted saints will, on the day of Christ's
coming, literally yes, disappear from view. Of course they will
because they will be in the resurrection and taken by the angels
to be with Christ in the air, in the clouds, upon the sea of
glass - Keith Hunt)
 
6. At the rapture, unbelievers remain on earth. At the glorious
appearing, believers remain on earth (Matthew 25:34).

(At the ONE event of Jesus' return, yes un-believers will be on
earth. Jesus is coming back to rule the physical nations of the
earth. At the same ONE event believers will be on earth, as many
in that day when they see Jesus return will believe, many will
know Christ does exist; many will come to repentance on that day.
And from then on the sheep and goats will be divided. All
expounded in-depth as I go through each prophetic book of the
Bible on this website - Keith Hunt)

7. Christ's kingdom on earth is not mentioned at the rapture. At
the glorious appearing, Christ has come to set up His kingdom on
earth (Matthew 25:31,34).

(Again, the same silly argument of Lahaye and Hindson. God does
not have to write the same thing the same way, mentioning the
same things, when writing about the same event. One aspect of the
same event can be mentioned in one passage, and another aspect of
the same event mentioned in another passage. My oh my, what a
silly argument - Keith Hunt)

8. At the rapture, believers will receive glorified bodies (1
Corinthians 15:51-57). At the glorious appearing, survivors will
not receive glorified bodies.

(Of course this is so. Very simple. At the resurrection saints
will be glorified, made immortal, raised from death to
immortality, or changed from flesh and blood to immortality. 
Those who survive the last years of this age, who are not chosen
to be saints and to be made immortal at Christ's coming, like about
10 percent of the people of the tribes of Israel, will go on into
the 1,000 years as physical people. Jesus and the saints will
rule over physical people in literal nations of the earth. Again
all expounded for you in detail as I reveal to you what all the
prophetic books of the Bible teach - Keith Hunt)


The Promise of Deliverance

In Revelation 3:10, Jesus promised, "I will keep you from [Greek,
ek, "out of"] the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole
world." This passage makes it clear that Christ's intention is to
keep the church out of the Tribulation period.

(Nope. The passage it to a "church group" only, see the context
of other church groups in Revelation 2 and 3. Revelation 12 gives
you the "rest of the story" as the late Paul Harvey wouls say on his 
radio program. It will be as it has always been in all
history - some of God's children will escape persecution and
tribulation and death, in the wilderness, and other children of
God will have to stand up and be counted, be a witness for the
truth, and even have to die for the truth of God. So it has
always been, so it will be again at the end time - Keith hunt)

The Greek preposition "ek" admittedly has the basic idea of
emergence. But this is not always so. Two notable examples are 2
Corinthians 1:10 and 1 Thessalonians 1:10. In the Corinthian
passage, Paul rehearses his rescue from death by God. Paul did
not emerge from death but rather was rescued from the potential
danger of death.
Even more convincing is 1 Thessalonians 1:10. Here, Paul states
that Jesus is rescuing believers out of the wrath to come. The
idea is not emergence out of, but rather protection from entrance
into divine wrath.

(Even so, using the Greek, does not change the fact that
Revelation 3:10 is about ONE GROUP of people to be spared from
persecution and death of the Great Tribulation, just as
Revelation 12 pictures and tells us - Keith Hunt)

If Revelation 3:10 means immunity or protection within as other
positions insist, then several contradictions result. First, if
protection in Revelation 3:10 is limited to protection from God's
wrath only and not Satan's, then Revelation 3:10 denies our
Lord's request in John 17:15.

(Revelation 3:10 is protection from Satan's wrath as well as
protection all the way through the last 42 months of this age -
the great tribulation and the day of the Lord - Keith Hunt)

Second, if Revelation 3:10 means total immunity, then of what
worth is the promise in light of Revelation 6:9-11 and 7:14,
where martyrs abound? The wholesale martyrdom of saints during
the Tribulation demands that the promise to the Philadelphia
church be interpreted as "keeping out of" the hour of testing,
not "keeping within."

(Keeping out of the hour of testing, is keeping out of, and not
within. For Revelation 12 tells you HOW the keeping out of is to
be done - fleeing to the wilderness, by part of the true people
of God, NOT by some "secret rapture" that takes you to heaven. 
Oh the lack of reading all the Bible, even all the passages on
any given subject, even all of a book. Such sloppy reading of the
Bible, gives sloppy theology that deceives millions - Keith Hunt)


The church is to be delivered from the wrath to come. The apostle
Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 that we should "wait for
His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who
delivers us from the wrath to come." 

The context of this passage points to the rapture. The church
must be removed from the earth before the Tribulation begins in
order to be delivered from the wrath to come.

(Again, total garbage. The context is no such thing as Lahaye and
Hindson say. Look at it yourselves. Open your Bible. See it for
yourselves. Note verse 3 - work of faith, labor of love. Note
verse 6 - followers of us, and of the LORD. Note verse 8 - from
you sound out the word of the Lord .... in every place your faith
to God-ward is spread abroad. Go into chapter 2. It is all to do
with serving the Lord, in truth and life, and NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE RAPTURE OR RESURRECTION. 
LIVING IN THE LORD MEANS WE WILL NOT COME INTO THE WRATH OF THE
LORD VIA CONDEMNATION AND THE SECOND DEATH!! Keith Hunt)
 

The church is not appointed to wrath. According to 1
Thessalonians 5:9, "God did not appoint us to wrath, but to
obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." Once again, the
context of this passage shows it is referring to the rapture.

(The context is NOT referring to the rapture or resurrection per
se.
If you want to get real technical the context starts with "the
DAY OF THE LORD" verse 2. The day of the Lord is NOT the great
tribulation, but Lahaye and Hindson have no clue about
understanding Bible prophecy. So the day of the Lord is the last
day (day for a year in prophecy) - last year of this age. And so
Christians living at that time, by being in the light, watching
soberly, not as those in the night, spiritual darkness, but
putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet,
the hope of salvation - looking at the verses following. For we 
need to do this because God does not want us to face wrath, but 
salvation. In so doing we can live together with Him. Yes finally 
a resurrection to eternal life with Christ. 
Two things: So living we escape the day of the Lord that it does
not come on us as those in darkness, for it will bring sudden
destruction. This applies to those who are alive at the time of
the day of the Lord. Second, and more important, living in the
Lord, means we find salvation and not His wrath in condemnation
and the second death - Keith Hunt) 


Because the Tribulation specifically involves God's wrath, and
because Christians are not appointed to His wrath, the church
must be raptured out of the way before the Tribulation begins.

(No the Scriptures say the Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath on
the earth, especially he will go after the true Church of God. See
Revelation 12. Some will escape his wrath, and find safety in the 
wilderness. Others of the true church will have to stand up and be 
counted, they will have to be witnesses for the truth, and even die 
for the faith once delivered to the saints - Revelation 12 - Keith
Hunt)

If the church is raptured at the end of the Tribulation, no one
will be left to populate the millennium. 

(What absolute crazy Bible reading these two guys have between
them. I'm just about lost for words at their total ignorance of
the prophetic books of the Bible. The resurrection of the saints
of God, yes after the great tribulation and the day of the Lord,
means only that true saints are made immortal; the rest of the
physical people on earth, left alive after the battle of
Armageddon, the 10 percent of physical Israelites, they go on
into the millennium, the 1,000 year age, as physical people, and
continue to populate the earth - Keith Hunt)

Just prior to the beginning of the millennium, all sinners (those
who reject Jesus Christ as Savior) who survive the Tribulation
will be cast into hell according to Matthew 25:46. 

(Again a full misunderstanding of Matthew 25:46 - this parable is
AFTER Jesus has returned, when sitting on the throne of David.
The goats are not thrown into the lake of fire, the second death,
until the end of the 1,000 year age. All explained in detail in
many other studies on prophecy on this website - Keith Hunt)

Should the rapture occur at the end of the Tribulation, all
Christians would be taken from the earth as well, leaving no one
on earth with a natural body to repopulate the planet during the
millennium. 

(Gross error! Not all who will believe in that day, the day of
Christ's return, when thousands will see Him come in the clouds
of heaven, will be in the first resurrection. They may well
believe Jesus has come again, as like about 10 percent of
Israelites, but that will not qualify them to be in the first
resurrection. Hence tens of thousands will still remain as
physical humans. And not only that but thousands of un-believers
will survive and we have the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39
coming to pass. There is so much on this, you will need to study
my expounding of all the prophetic books of the Bible, to
understand it all in detail - Keith Hunt)
 
The "righteous" (the "sheep") who enter the millennium are the
saints who survive the Tribulation - those who were unsaved at
the time of the rapture but became believers during the
Tribulation. 

(Garbage theology here also. The sheep of Matthew 25 are those
who accept Christ AFTER His return, when He sits on the throne of
David to judge the nations, to start to divide the sheep from the
goats - they are physical human beings - Keith Hunt)
 
Many of these saints will be martyred during this time, but those
who survive the Tribulation will repopulate the earth during the
millennium. For this to occur, the rapture must take place prior
to the Tribulation instead of at the end.

(All silly nonsense. Those saints who live during the great
tribulation and day of the Lord, will have qualified to be in the
first resurrection. As Jesus gave in one parable, some toil all
day [many years of their life - decades maybe] and some toil at the
11th hour - for a relatively short while, 42 months at the end of
this age, or a little less if called during the great tribulation, 
is a short time, an 11th hour. But Jesus went on to say, they all
received the penny wage as did those who toiled for a
long time - they all get salvation - Keith Hunt)
 

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

1. Since the phrase "to meet the Lord" in 1 Thessalonians 4.17
can refer to a friendly city going out to meet the visiting king
and escorting him back to the city, does not this phrase point
decidedly to a posttribulational rapture?

First, this Greek term can refer to either meeting within a city
(Mark 14:13; Luke 17:12) or going out of the city to meet and
return back (Matthew 25:6; Acts 28:15). So the use of this
particular phrase is not at all decisive. Second, remember that
at the glorious appearing, Christ is coming to a hostile people
in general who will eventually fight against Him at Armageddon.
The pretribulational rapture best pictures the king rescuing, by
a rapture, His faithful followers who are trapped in a hostile
world and who will later accompany Him when He returns to earth
to conquer His enemies and set up His kingdom (Revelation
19:11-16).

(The truth is not ascertained by saying this fits a better
scenario than this other. 1 Thes. 4 and the context of verse 17
is to be put with 1 Cor.15 and many other verses, which I've already
done here and in many other studies on the subject - Keith Hunt)

2. Why does Paul write in 1 Thessalonians 5:6 for believers to be
alert to "the day of the Lord" if they're not going to face it
due to being raptured before the Tribulation?

Paul exhorts believers in 1 Thessalonians 5:6 to be alert and
living godly in a "day of the Lord" context just as Peter does in
2 Peter 3:14-15, where the "day of the Lord" experience is
clearly at the end of the millennium (because the old heavens and
earth will be destroyed and replaced with the new). In such
passages are exhortations for true believers to live godly lives
in the light of God's future judgment on unbelievers.

(Well for once the guys have a truth. Some verses are for people
down the passage of time, and for a generality for all Christians
for all ages, and so they do not come into the condemnation of the
wrath of God when the second death in the lake of fire takes
place - Keith Hunt)

3. Does not Matthew 24:37-42, where people are taken out of the
world, teach a posttribulational rapture?

In fact, Matthew 24:37-42 teaches just the opposite. First, it
teaches that Noah and his family were left alive while the whole
world was taken away in death and judgment. This is exactly the
sequence to be expected at Christ's glorious appearing as taught
in the parable of the wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-43), the
parable of the dragnet (Matthew 13:47-50), and the "sheep and
goats" judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46). In every one
of these instances, at the glorious appearing, unbelievers are
taken away in judgment, and the righteous believers remain.

(Noah and his example is given by Jesus not to teach the wicked
with remain while believers disappear. It is given in the
context, yes context again, of "unexpected" - "unknown" - see
verse 36. Life was going on quite normal in the days of Noah,
Jesus gives examples of normal life of that time. It was so, right 
up to the time of the flood, that came UNEXPECTED. The whole section 
is to do with not knowing the day of Christ's return, only the Father,
and to watch the signs Jesus has given in the whole chapter, so
that day does not come UNEXPECTEDLY on Christians. For when it
does come the resurrection will take place and true Christians
will disappear to be with the Lord, verses 40-42. The Lord does
not come until AFTER the great tribulation and the day of the
Lord - Keith Hunt)
 

4. Does not a pretribulation rapture result in two second comings
of Christ, whereas Scripture teaches there is only one second
coming?

Not at all. Regardless of the rapture position one holds,
Christ's second coming is one event that occurs in two parts -
Christ coming in the air to rapture the church and Christ coming
to earth to conquer the world and set up His kingdom.

(Have you ever heard of such SILLY AND FROM PLANET PLUTO
reasonings? They tell us Christ's second coming is ONE EVENT,
then go on to say the one event has TWO PARTS. Now when you
understand as shown by them, that the two parts have 7 years
between them .... I mean, give me a break, one event with a
secret and visible two parts with 7 years in-between. This has
got to be one of the stupidest human reasonings in Christian
theology - Keith Hunt)

5. If pretribulationism is true, why doesn't Revelation 4-19
mention the church in heaven?

It is true that the Greek word for church (ekklesia) is not used
of the church in heaven in Revelation 4-19. However, that does
not mean the church is invisible. The church appears in heaven at
least twice. First, the 24 elders in Revelation 4-5 symbolize the
church. 

(Come on now, wow, what more silly reasoning - the 24 elders
symbolize the church. Give me another break! There is nothing in
the entire Bible to acquaint the 24 elders in heaven as
symbolizing the Church of God being in heaven - grasping at straws 
they are - Keith Hunt)

Second, the phrase "you saints and apostles and prophets" in
Revelation 18:20 clearly refers to the church in heaven. 

(Once more, this is getting so silly they should go on Canada's
TV show called "Just for Laughs." Jesus is writing (He's the
author of Revelation, see the beginning of chapter one) that yes the
heaven needs to rejoice over the obliteration of Babylon, but
also the apostles and prophets... It does NOT say the apostles
and prophets are in heaven. Again that has to be read into it, and if
you believe in the immortality of the soul and the secret rapture
idea, then you will read into this verse what these two guys have
done, to hold your teaching of a secret rapture with saints in
heaven for 7 years before Jesus returns visibly - Keith Hunt)

Also, Revelation 19 pictures the church (the bride of Christ) in
heaven prior to her triumphal return. Which rapture scenario best
accounts for the church being in heaven in these texts at this
time? A pretribulation rapture.

(The chapter does begin with a scene in heaven. But when we get
to the "Lord God omnipotent reigns" verse 6, we have come to the
Lord reigning, simple as that, right, yes pretty simple. The Lord
now reigns. When does the Lord reign? When He returns to earth.
His wife has made herself ready - white garments she has, that are the
righteousness of the saints, verses 7,8, and see Ps.119:172. When do 
the saints get to be with Christ? We have seen at the LAST trumpet sound. 
The resurrection takes place. They rise to meet Jesus in the air, in
the clouds - 1 Thes.4:13-17. The bride and the Groom are together; 
the marriage of the Lamb to the bride, the saints, takes place. 
Where? When they come together, as most human marriages do the same. 
They come together in the clouds of the air of this planet. This is NOT 
in heaven but in the atmosphere of this earth. Simple when you put 
Scripture with Scripture - Keith Hunt)

6. Why is Revelation addressed to the church if the church will
not experience the Tribulation period due to the rapture?

These texts cannot be used to determine the time of the rapture.
One of the chief characteristics of the rapture is that it will
be sudden, unexpected, and surprising. "No man knows the day or
the hour," so we should live so as to "be ready, for the Son of
Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" (Matthew 24:44). Only
a pretribulation rapture preserves an imminent ("at any moment")
return of Christ. 

(While no man knows the day not the hour of Jesus' return, only
the Father. Jesus in the Gospels and in the book of Revelation,
gives us signs upon signs as to what to watch for, leading up to the
day of His return. The idea of an "imminent" - "any moment"
return of Christ, is absolutely against all the signs and waymarks
Jesus Himself has given us. The idea that Jesus can return at any
second, is totally false, and not taught anywhere in the Bible.
Only those teaching a secret rapture can hold this "any second"
return for Jesus. The Bible holds no such view.
I very dogmatically will tell you that Jesus CANNOT return until
certain prophecies have taken place - certain signs He gave MUST
COME TO PASS before He can return - Keith Hunt)


Throughout the ages, Christians have understood the rapture to be
imminent. Nothing could be a better motivator to holy living than
knowing that Jesus could come at any moment.

(If it takes the idea that Christ can come at any minute or
second, to make you live a holy life, to serve the Lord, to love
the Lord with all your heart, life and mind, then YOUR CHRISTIAN
RELIGION I MUST QUESTION - Keith Hunt)

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Feast of Trumpets - 2012