Duck and Geese Question
What about webbed footed birds
by P. Bennett Within.....circles it is taught that all birds with webbed feet are prohibited. However a search of our scriptures soon reveals that there is no such general rule of prohibition with regard to birds. Indeed, birds are the ONLY group that are NOT covered by an all embracing rule, in the way that VEGETATION MATTER, ANIMALS, FISH and INCESTS are (i.e. 'every herb bearing seed, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed' Gen.1:29: 'Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud' Lev.11:3: 'Whatsoever hath fins and scales' Lev.11:9: 'All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. Yet, these may you eat of every flying creeping thing that goes upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth' Lev.11:20 and 21). Nowhere in scripture can one find any reference to the term 'webbed feet.' Indeed scripture suggests that all birds are fit for food except those specifically forbidden. This leads to the second reason that is often given for our NOT eating DUCK and GOOSE; namely that there is a prohibition against the SWAN after its kind. This argument relies in the first place upon the fact that ducks and geese belong to the same family as swans. Scientists long ago devised a system of classifying the animal kingdom into various groups. These groups are hierarchial, so that all animals included in one group are automatically included in the group above. The main groups in descending order are: Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus and Species. Swans, ducks and geese all belong to the family ANATIDE, of which there are 150 species worldwide. The Anatidae family is divided into three sub-families, namely ANSERINAE, which includes swans, geese and whistling ducks; ANATINAE, which include all other ducks, and ANSERANATINAE, the magpie goose. Science then agrees that ducks, geese and swans are of one family. Therefore a prohibition of the swan after her kind would SEEM to include duck and goose. Before we rely to heavily upon the above reasoning to convince our Jewish, or other friends, that their menus should NOT include such delicacies as Canard Montmorency, let us look closely at the scriptures, beginning with the Authorized Version. In neither Lev.11:18, nor Deut. 14:16 do we find the phrase 'the swan after her kind.' The word swan appears on its own. Are we therefore entitled to include 'after her kind'? When we read Lev. 11:13-19 in CONTEXT, the answer to this question would appear to be NO. Let us look at other translations and see if they give us a clearer guide to the inclusion of duck and goose in the list of prohibited birds. BASIC ENGLISH Lev. 'And the ostrich, and the night hawk, and the sea hawk, and birds of that sort.' Deut. 'The little owl, and the great owl and the water hen.' MOFFAT Lev. 'The water hen, the pelican, the carrion-vulture.' Deut. 'The barn owl and the eagle-owl, the water hen.' GOOD NEWS Lev. 'You must not eat any of the following birds, Eagles, owls, hawks, falcons, buzzards, vultures, crows, ostriches, seagulls, storks, herons, pelicans, cormorants, hoopoes or bats' (13-19). Deut. As above (12-18). LAMZA Lev. 'And the sawn and the hoopoe after their kind.' Deut. 'The stork, the hoopoe after its kind.' N.I.V. Lev. 'The white owl, the desert owl, the osprey.' Deut. 'The little owl, the great owl, the white owl.' AMPLIFIED Lev. 'The swan, the pelican, the vulture.' Deut. 'The little owl, the great owl, the horned owl.' R.S.V. Lev. 'The water hen, the pelican, the carrion vulture.' Deut. 'The little owl, and the great owl, the water hen.' LIVING BIBLE Lev. 'The ibis, the marsh hen, the pelican.' Deut. 'The screech owl, the great owl, the horned owl and the pelican.' FERRAR FENTON Lev. '....and the crested owl and the turkey buzzard.' Deut. '....and the seagull and the cormorant, with their species, with the pelican.' From this random selection of translations we now see that it is by no means CERTAIN that the SWAN is indicated. When we consider the Hebrew, the meaning becomes even LESS clear. The Hebrew word translated 'swan' in the Authorized Version is TINSHEMETH. This word appears three times, twice it is translated 'swan' and in Lev. 11:30 it is translated 'mole.' If the translation 'swan' is doubtful, how accurate is the translation 'mole'? Again, let us look at other translations to see if they agree with the Authorized Version. BASIC ENGLISH 'And the ferret and the land crocodile and the lizard and the sand lizard and the chameleon.' MOFFAT '....the gecko, the land crocodile, the beetle, the snail and the chameleon.' GOOD NEWS 'Moles, rats, and lizards must be considered unclean.' LAMZA 'And the ferret, and the mole, the yellow lizard, the skink and the chameleon.' N.I.V. 'The gecko, the monitor, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon.' AMPLIFIED 'The gecko, the land crocodile, the lizard, the sand lizard, the chameleon.' R.S.V. 'The gecko, the land crocodile, the lizard, the sand lizard, and the chameleon.' LIVING BIBLE 'The mole, the rat, the great lizard, the gecko, the mouse, the lizard, the snail, the chameleon.' FERRAR FENTON 'And the ponter, and the shew, and the ignanodou, and the chameleon.' Once more we see that the meaning of TINSHEMETH is UNCERTAIN, so let us consider what commentaries have to say on this subject. James strong, S.T.D., L.L.D., in his Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words, suggests that Tanshemeth is derived from Nasham, to blow away, i.e. destroy. He states that the meaning of Tanshemeth is probably 'a hard breath' i.e. the name of two uncertain creatures, a lizard and a bird (both perhaps from changing colour through their irascibility), probably the tree-toad and the water-hen. The notes on Lev.11:18 and 30 contained in The Student's Commentary on the Holy Bible published 1879, state the following: Verse 18. 'The swan, more probably the ibis, the sacred bird of the Egyptians....' Verses 29,30. 'The identification of 'the creeping things' here named is not always certain. They are most likely those which were occasionally eaten.....by the word rendered snail is probably meant another kind of lizard, and by the mole, the chameleon.' Henry Chichester Hart, in By Paths on Bible Knowledge X1, Scripture Natural History, 11 Animals of the Bible, Religious Tract Society 1888, has this to say: The Hebrew word 'tinshemeth' is found amongst the list of unclean birds in Lev. 11:18 and Deut. 14:16. It is there translated 'swan,' but this must be erroneous for the double reason that swans are, and in all probability always were, very rare in Palestine, and that were the common or known at all to the Israelites is not likely that they would have been regarded as unclean. They are vegetable feeders, and cygnets have been generally regarded as good to eat. In the Jewish Bible, this word is untranslated. The Septuagint and Vulgate render it either 'porphyrio' or 'ibis.' Either of these is likely enough to be the bird meant, and the original seems to point to an aquatic bird. The meaning of the Hebrew word is, however, highly ambiguous. In verse 30 it is translated 'mole' and, as has been shown already, is most likely there intended to represent the 'chameleon.' Of the two water fowl suggested, the ibis is the most acceptable interpretation at first sight. It was sacred amongst the Egyptians, and connected with their idolatrous worship, and it was also a bird of very unclean feeding. No doubt the Israelites were very familiar with the sacred ibis (ibis religiosa) in Egypt. But the bird is not found in Palestine, and has become extinct on the lower Nile. Nevertheless from its abundant representation on their monuments, and also in the mummified state amongst their tombs, it must formerly have been common in Lower Egypt. The other species, the porphyrio or violent gallinule (Porphyrio hyacinthinus), is a large handsome purple waterhen as big as a duck. It is, however, by no means abundant in Lower Egypt except on the Fayoom, according to Capt. Shelly and as Tristram tells, it is very rare in Palestine. A much more likely bird is our common waterhen or gallinule (Porphyrio chloropus), which is everywhere abundant in Palestine and Egypt; and with it might have been included the coot (Fuligula atra) its constant associate, and an equally abundant bird. Marray's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, published 1908, has the following entries: Swan (Heb. tinshemeth). This translation, which occurs....in the list of unclean birds, is almost certainly wrong: while the emendations 'pelican' and 'owl' are equally unsatisfactory. The LXX renderings 'porphyrio' and 'ibis' are much more probable, neither of these birds occurring elsewhere in the catalogue, while both would be familiar residents in Egypt, and the original seems to point to some waterfowl.....The purple waterhen (Porphyrio Caerulus), a brilliant coloured and large relation to our own moorhen, is abundant in the marshes and reed brakes of the Mediterranean countries, and is most probably the species mentioned. Mole. Two words are thus translated. 1. 'Tinshemeth,' which occurs in the list of unclean birds in Lev. 11:18, Deut. 14:16 (Authorized Version 'swan') and in Lev. 11:30 (Authorized Version 'mole'). There seems considerable probability that 'tinshemeth' refers to the chameleon. 1. 'Hephor peroth' rendered 'moles' by the Authorized Version in Isaiah 2:20....Apparently true moles (Talpa) are absent from Syria-Palestine..... The Dictionary of the Bible edited by Sir. W. Smith and published in 1893: Swan (tinshemeth). Thus rendered by A.V. where it occurs in the list of unclean birds....Bochart explains it noctua (owl), and derives the name from (Hebrew) to astonish, because other birds are startled at the apparitions of the owl. Gesenius suggests the pelican, from (Hebrew) 'to breathe, to puff,' with reference to the inflation of its pouch. Whatever may have been the bird intended by Moses, these conjectures cannot be admitted as satisfactory, the owl and the pelican both being distinctly expressed elsewhere in the catalogue. Nor is the A.V. translation likely to be correct. It is not probable that the swan was known to Moses or the Israelites, or at least that it was sufficiently familiar to have obtained a place in the list. Hasselquist indeed mentions his having seen a swan on the coast of Damietta; but though a regular winter visitor to Greece, only accidental stragglers wander so far south as the Nile, and it has not been observed by recent naturalists either in Palestine or Egypt. Nor, if it has been known to the Israelites, is it easy to understand why the swan should have been placed among the unclean birds. The rendering of the LXX; 'porphyrio' and 'ibis' are either of them more probable. Neither of these birds appear elsewhere in the catalogue, both would be familiar to residents in Egypt, and the original seems to point to some water fowl. The Samaritan version also agrees with the LXX, Porphyrio antiquorum Bp, the purple waterhen, is mentioned by Aristotle, Aristophanes, Pliny, and more fully described by Athenaeus. It is allied to our cornrake and waterhen, and it is the largest and most beautiful of the family Rallidae, being larger than the domestic fowl, with a rich dark blue plumage, and brilliant red beak and legs. From extra-ordinary length of its toes, it is enabled, lightly treading on the flat leaves of water plants, to support itself without immersion, and apparently to run on the surface of the water. It frequents marshes and sedge by the banks of the rivers in all the countries bordering on the Mediterranean, and it is abundant in lower Egypt. Athanaeus has correctly noted its singular habit of grasping its food with its very long toes, and thus conveying it to its mouth. It is distinguished from all other species of Rallidae by its short powerful mandibles, with which it crushes its prey, consisting often of reptiles and young birds. It will frequently seize a young duck with its long feet, and at once crush the head of its victim with its beak. It is an omnivorous feeder, and from the miscellaneous character of its food, mighty reasonably find a place in the catalogue of unclean birds. Its flesh is rank, coarse and very dark coloured. Lastly, The Jewish Encyclopedia states: Swan: The rendering of the A.V. for tinshemeth.....The Revised Version, more correctly, gives 'horned owl'.....Two species of swan have been found in Palestine, the whooper, or wild swan (Cygnus musicus or ferus) and the Cygnus olor, or mansuetus; they are, however, comparatively rare. Some take the 'barhurim abusim' of the Talmud (B.M. 86b) to mean 'swans' though the usual rendering is 'fattened hens.' From the above it can be seen that the true identity of the creatures (tinshemeth) is UNCLEAR. In order to clear up this and other ambiguities, I made enquiry of the Board of deputes of British Jews. I am most grateful of their prompt and full reply. With regard to the word 'tinshemeth' they agree that the creature is NOT certainly identified. They add that as a general rule, ALL domestic fowl are allowed, while wild fowl (which would include swans) are not. However, this rule does NOT HELP us, as it would exclude fowls such as partridge, pheasants, quail, etc. We know that Israelites were able to eat quail from Exodus 16: 13 and Numbers 11:31,32. So far then, we have examined the TWO MAIN objections AGAINST eating duck and geese, namely that they are prohibited by falling into the category of 'web' footed birds' and alternately, they are banned because they come within the classification of 'the swan after her kind.' The THIRD objection often put forward is that duck and geese are SCAVENGERS, and are therefore prohibited. Again, to turn to the scripture we find no mention of the word 'scavenger.' Nowhere in the food laws are the forbidden creatures so described. However, a careful examination of those prohibited SUGGEST that the common denominator of the prohibited birds is that they are eiter birds of prey, or scavengers and therefore the Creator in His divine wisdom has denied them from us as food. The Universal English Dictionary defines a scavenger as an animal which feeds on and clears away carrion, garbage, or any decaying organic matter, e.g. vultures, certain beetles and other insects, shrimp, crabs etc. We realize the function of these scavengers, and the fact that they are provided to clear away the poisonous debris which, if left, could cause the spread of diseases, our reaction should be to leave well alone. So, if ducks and goose are scavengers, then they should be considered unfit for our table. What are the feeding habits of ducks and goose? If we study the family ANATIDAE in any good book on birds, we find that the diet of its various members consist of vegetable matter, insects, and their larvae, worms, molluses, crustaceans and fish. For example, the Mallard (Anas platyrhynchos) feeds on various seeds, plant shoots, and grass, although ducklings eat mainly insects, plus molluses, crustaceans and green plants. The Pintail (Anas acuta) feeds on various seeds, shoots and green plant parts, plus insects, worms, molluses and as an occasional delicacy, small frogs. The Eider (Somateria mollissima) feeds mainly on molluses, but will eat crustaceans, worms, starfish and fish. The Mute Swan (Cygnus olor) eats mostly vegetables, but will also eat insects, small fish, tadpoles and crustaceans. The same applies to Bewick's Swan (Cygnus cygnus), which is almost completely vegetarian. Strangely enough when we look at the diet of various geese we find that they too are largely vegetarian, e.g. Greylag goose (Anser anser) feed on green plants and seeds. The white fronted goose (Anser albiforns) eats grass, shoots, various berries and seeds. Brent geese (Branta bernicla) feed on marine plants during winter and during the summer, grass, lichens, moss, plus molluses, crustaceans and insects. A study of their diet suggests that the family Anatidae are neither scavengers nor birds of prey. Before we leave the diet of birds, let us, out of interest, look at the feeding habits of some of the PERMITTED birds. Pheasant (Phasianus colchicus) eats a variety of seeds, berries, green plant shoots, insects, worms and molluses. Quail (Coturnix coturnix) feeds on insects and larvae, green leaves and seeds. The Turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) in the wild state feeds on fruit, berries, seeds, and occasionally will capture and eat small rodents. Domestic chickens, when allowed the freedom to range the farmyard, can be seen feeding on worms, insects and kitchen scraps. It would seem therefore, that there is LITTLE DIFFERENCE between the diet of the duck and goose and those birds we can eat....... (I will here say again, that which I have said before in the series of these studies, that it is a WRONG foundation to try and say clean animals and unclean animals are clean or unclean because of what they eat. All things are made of atoms and molecules. It is HOW they are put together within the very creational structure that is the key to clean and unclean. The horse eats mainly grass and hay, and then oats, barley, flax and such. They love a well cooked meal of the last three grains, I know for I worked with horses on Stud Farms as a young man, and had to feed them a few times a week such a cooked mash, with some molasses added. The horse is a totally vegetarian and grain eater, BUT horse meat is unclean as a food according to God's food laws. It is not what they eat that makes them unclean, it is the way their flesh is atom/cell and molecule created and put together. Their very creation of flesh is not compatible with our created flesh. You could feed a pent up pig the greatest mixture of grains etc. and it would not change its atom/cell and molecule structure. The same goes for the bear. You could keep it caged up, feed it only honey, berries, and salmon, all its life, and it would still be unclean meat, for its atom/cell and molecule structure would be as God created it....unclean for human consumption. This truth was brought out in the famous book by Rachel Carson called "Silent Spring" (1962). The book is still available from Amazon.com on the Internet. She showed how some were, in their labs, able to change the atom/molecule pattern, put it together in a different pattern, still call it "organic" for it still was, did not have any human chemicals etc. in it, but she claimed, it would now be slow poison for us. This is the basic bottom line as to how God created things and what He knew would be compatible in atom/cell/molecule structure for food for us to eat and rebuild our cells in a good healthy manner. How God created the working chemical/atom digestion in all created creatures to use whatever they digested, is another matter. The horse is the classic example, the good vegetation/grain foods it eats works in no way to change the atom/cell/molecule of its flesh, to make it good healthy flesh food for us humans to eat. And the reverse is true of animals and birds etc, that are clean food for us to eat, but they may eat certain things that are of themselves unclean for us to eat. It really is the atom/cell - the very inner being of things that makes the difference. Rachel Carson was able to show that man was messing with the very foundation and so with his chemicals like DDT, effecting the atoms and cells in a way that normally would not be effected when left as God created each, and so was harming our atoms and cells. Such of course is the same bottom line concern today with the debate and battle over genetically altered foods. It would seem most western countries will enact a law that food labels will declare if the product has been genetically manipulated in any way - Keith Hunt). The THIRD objection to duck and geese, i.e. that they are scavengers, does NOT appear to stand up to close examination. Indeed, NONE of the three objections, when considered in detail, appear to be valid...... We have seen that orthodox Jews regard these fowls as Kosher. But what about the Muslims? It appears that their dietary laws are based on the general principle, 'Oh people, eat of the lawful and good (wholesome) things of what is in the earth.' Qur'an chapter 2 verse 168. The following are specifically forbidden by the Qur'an: 1. The flesh of swine. Qur'an ch. 5:4. 2. Blood. Qur'an ch. 6:146. 3. Alcohol. Qur'an ch. 5:90. 4. That which dies of itself, including animals killed by a blow, strangulation, a fall or by other animals. Qur'an ch. 5:3. 5. That which has been offered as a sacrifice to idols. Qur'an ch. 5:3. 6. That which has not been slaughtered in accordance with Muslim Law. Qur'an ch. 6:122. Other creatures are deemed unclean according to the sayings or practices of 'the prophet.' These are derived from the second part of the general principle, i.e. good (or wholesome). The creatures thus forbidden are beats of prey, birds of prey, the tame ass (not wild ass), mule, hyenas, fox, elephant, weasel, pelican, kites, cormorant, crows, ravens, crocodile, otters, wasps, all insects. The lizard and the hare are not specifically prohibited, but the prophet did not eat them. Although in practice Muslims do not appear to eat wild fowl, there appears to be no restriction against them doing so within their dietary laws. What conclusion then can be drawn from this section of our study? I believe that we can see that it is dangerous to say that scripture forbids the eating of webbed footed birds, or that scripture excludes 'the swan after her kind.'
very popular as a meat on our tables. I do not remember my parents or any of my immediate relatives in England and Wales, ever serving duck or goose. That is custom only for most of the Celtic-Anglo-Saxon world. Of course it may differ within individual families.
Keith Hunt |
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