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Chapter Ninety-four:

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                         HEBREWS - Introduction #1



     The book of Hebrews has caused much debate as to the author,
where and when written, and to specifically whom was it written
to. I believe Albert Barnes in his "Notes on the New Testament"
has perhaps given the probable truth of the matter. I shall
therefore quote extensively from his notes. This INTRODUCTION is
lengthy and somewhat in-depth, hence I will break it up into
three or four parts (Keith Hunt).


PRELIMARY REMARKS

     It need not be said, that this epistle bas given rise to
much discussion among writers on the New Testament. Indeed there
is probably no part of the Bible in regard to which so many
conflicting views have been entertained. The name of the author;
the time and place where the epistle was written; the character
of the book; its canonical authority; the language in which it
was composed; and the persons to whom it was addressed, all have
given rise to great difference of opinion.   
     Among the causes of this are the following; The name of the
author is not mentioned. The church to which it was sent, if sent
to any particular church, is not designated. There are no certain
marks of time in the epistle, as there often are in the writings
of Paul, by which we can determine the time when it was written.
     It is not the design of the Notes to go into an extended
examination of these questions. Those who are disposed to pursue
these inquiries, and to examine the questions which have been
started in regard to the epistle, can find ample means in the
larger work, that have treated of it; and especially in Lardner;
in Michaelis' Introduction; in the Prolegomena of Kuinoel; in
Hug's Introduction; and PARTICULARLY in Professor Stuart',
invaluable Commentary on the Epistle to the Hebrews. No other
work, on this portion of the New Testament, is so complete as
his; and, in the Introduction, he has left nothing to be desired
in regard to the literature of the epistle.
     Controversies early arose in the church, in regard to a
great variety of questions pertaining to this epistle, which are
not yet fully settled. Most of those questions, however, pertain
to the literature of the epistle; and, however they may be
decided, are not such as to affect the respect which a Christian
ought to have for it as a part of the word of God. They pertain
to the inquiries, to whom it was written; in what language, and
at what time it was composed: questions which, in whatever way
they may be settled, do not affect its canonical authority, and
should not shake the confidence of Christians in it as a part of
Divine revelation.  The only inquiry on these points which it is
proper to institute in these Notes is, whether the claims of the
epistle to a place in the canon of Scripture are of such a kind,
an to allow Christians to read it as a part of the oracles of
God? May we sit down to it, feeling that we me perusing that
which has been given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, a part of
revealed truth? .....

2. TO WHOM IS THE EPISTLE WRITTEN?

     It purports to have been written to "the Hebrews." This is
not found, indeed, in the body of the epistle, though it
occurs to the subscription at the end. It differs from all the
other epistles of Paul in this respect, and from most of
the others in the New Testament. In all of the other epistles of
Paul, the church or person to whom the letter was sent is
specified in the commencement. This, however, commences in the
form of an essay or homily; or is there anywhere, in the epistle,
any direct intimation to what church it was sent. The
subscription at the end is of no authority, as it cannot be
supposed that the author himself would affix it to the epistle,
and as it is know, that many of those subscriptions are false.   
See the remarks at the close of the Notes on Romans, and  
1 Corinthians. Several questions present themselves here, which
we may briefly investigate.

     What is the evidence that it was written to the Hebrews? In
reply to this we may observe, (1) That the inscription at the
commencement, "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews"
though not affixed by the author, may be allowed to express the
current sense of the church in ancient times, in reference to a
question on which they had the best means of judging..... This
inscription is found in all our present Greek manuscripts, and in
nearly all the ancient versions. It is found in the Peshito, the
old Syria, version, which was made in the first, or in the early
part of the second century. It is the title give to the epistle
by the Fathers of the second century, and onward. Stuart. 
(2) The testimony of the Fathers.  Their testimony is unbroken
and uniform. With one accord they declare this, and this should
be regarded as testimony of great value. Unless there is some
good reason to depart from each evidence, it should be
regarded as decisive. In this case there is no good reason, for
calling it in question, but every reason to suppose it to be
correct; nor, so far as I have found, is there any who has
doubted it. (3) The internal evidence is of the highest
character, that it was written to Hebrew converts.
It treats of Hebrew institutions. It explains their nature.
It makes no allusion to Gentile customs or law,. It all along
supposes that those to whom it was sent were familiar with the
Jewish history; with the nature of the temple service; with the
functions of the priestly office; and with the whole structure of
their religion. No other person than those who had been Jews are
addressed throughout the epistle. There is no attempt to explain
the nature or design of any customs, except those with which they
were familiar. At the same time, it is equally clear that they
were Jewish converts - converts from Judaism to Christianity -
who are addressed.  The writer addresses, them as Christians, not
as those who were to be converted to Christianity; he explains to
them the Jewish customs as one would do to those who had been
converted from Judaism; he endeavour, to guard them from
apostasy, as if there were danger that they would relapse again
into the system from which they were converted. These
considerations seem to be decisive; and, in the view of all who
have written on the epistle, as well an of the Christian world at
large, they settle the question. It has never been held that the
epistle was directed to Gentiles; and, in all the opinions and
questions which have been started on the subject, it has been
admitted, that, wherever they resided, the persons to whom the
epistle was addressed were originally Hebrews, who had never been
converted to the Christian religion.

     To what particular church of the Hebrews was it written?    
Very different opinion, have been held on this question. The
celebrated Storr held that it was written to the Hebrew part of
the churches in Galatia; and that the epistle to the Galatians
was addressed to the Gentile part of those churches. Selmer and
Noesset maintained that it was written to the churches in
Macedonia, and particularly to the church of Thessalonica. Bolten
maintain, that it was addressed to the Jewish Christian who fled
from Palestine in a time of persecution, about the year 60, and
who were scattered through Asia Minor.  Michael Weber supposed
that it was addressed to the church at Corinth. Ludwig
conjectured that it was addressed to a church in Spain. Wetstein
supposes that it was written to the church of Rome. Most of these
opinions are mere conjectures; and all of them depend on
circumstance, which furnish only light evidence of probability.  
Those who an disposed to examine these, and to we them confuted,
may consult Stuart's Commentary on the Hebrews, Intro. 6-9. The
common, and the almost universally received opinion is,
that the epistle was addressed to the Hebrew Christian, in
Palestine. The reasons for this opinion, briefly, are the
following: 
(1) The testimony of the ancient church was uniform on
this point - that the epistle, was not only written to the Hebrew
Christens, but to those who were Palestine.  Lardner affirms this
to be the testimony of Clement of Alexandria, Jerome, Euthalius,
Chrysostom, Theodore, and Theophylact; and adds, that this was
the general opinion of the ancient. Works, vol. vi., pp.80,81,
ed. Lond. 1829. 
(2) The inscription at the commencement of the
epistle leads, to this supposition; that inscription,
though not appended by the hand of the  author, was early 
affixed to it. It is found, not only in the Greek manuscripts,
but in all the early versions, as the Syria, and the Itala; and
was doubtless affixed at a very early period, and, by whomsoever
affixed, expressed the current sense at t he time. It is
hardly possible that a mistake would be made an this point; and
unless there is good evidence to the contrary, this ought to be
allowed to determine the question. The inscription is, "The
Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews." But who are the
Hebrews - the (Barnes gives the Greek)? Professor Stuart has
endeavoured to show, that this was a term that was employed
exclusively to denote the Jews in Palestine, in contradistinction
from foreign Jews, who were called Hellenists. Bertholdt declares
that there is not a single example, which can be found in early
times, of Jewish Christians out of Palestine being called
Hebrews. See a Dissertation on the Greek Language in Palestine,
and on the meaning of the word Hellenists, by Hug, in the Bib.
Repository, vol. i. 547,548. Comp. also Robinson's Lex. on the
word  (Greek is given). If this be so, and if the inscription be
of any authority, then it goes far to settle the question.....
(3) There are some passages, in the epistle itself, which Lardner
supposes indicate that this epistle was written to the Hebrew in
Palestine, or to those who had been converted from Judaism to
Christianity. As those passages are not conclusive, and as their
force has been called in question, and with much propriety, by
Professor Stuart, (pp. 32,34,) I shall merely refer to them. They
can be examined at leisure by those who am disposed; and though
they do not prove that the epistle was addressed to the Hebrew
Christian in Palestine, yet they can be best interpreted as that
supposition .....
(4) The internal evidence of the epistle corresponds with the 
supposition, that it was written to the Hebrew Christians of Palestine 
... There might be such strong internal proof that an epistle was 
not addressed to a supposed people, as completely to neutralize 
all the evidence derived from an inscription like that prefixed to 
this epistle, and all the evidence delved from tradition. But it is 
not so here. All the circumstances referred to in the epistle - 
the general strain of remark - the argument - the allusions - 
are just such as would be likely to be found in an epistle addressed 
to the Hebrew Christians in Palestine, and such as would not be 
likely to occur in an epistle addressed to any other place or people. 
They are such as the following: 

a) The familiar acquaintance with the Jewish institutions
supposed, by the writer, to exist among those to whom it was sent
is familiarity hardly to be expected even of Jews who lived in
other countries. 
(b) The danger, so frequently adverted to, of their relapsing
into their former state, of apostatizing from Christianity, and
of embracing again the Jewish rites and ceremonies - a danger
that would exist nowhere else in so great a degree as in Judea.  
Comp. ch. ii. 1-3; iii. 7-11,15; iv. l; vi. 1-8; x. 26-35.  
(c) The nature of the discussion in the epistle - not turning
upon the obligation of circumcision, and the distinction of meats
and drinks, which occupied much of the attention of the apostles
and early Christians in other places - but a discussion relating
to the whole structure of the Mosaic economy, the pre-eminence of
Moses or Christ, the meaning of the rites of the temple, etc.    
These great questions would be more likely to arise in Judea than
elsewhere; and it was important to discuss them fully, as it is
done in this epistle. In other places they would be of less
interest, and would excite less difficulty.  
(d) The allusion to local places and events; to facts in their
history; and to the circumstances of public worship, which would
be better understood there than elsewhere. There are no allusions
- or, if there are, they are very brief and infrequent - to
heathen customs, games, races, and philosophical opinions, as
there are often in the other epistles of the New Testament. Those
to whom the epistle was sent, are presumed to have an intimate
and minute knowledge of the Hebrew history, and such a knowledge
as could be hardly supposed elsewhere. Comp. ch.xi; particulary
vers. 32-39. Thus, it is implied that they  well understood the
subjects referred to, relating to the Jewish rites, that it was
not necessary that the writer should specify them particularly.
See ch.ix.5. Of what other persons could this be an appropriately
said, as of the dwellers in Palestine? 
(e) The circumstances of trial and persecution so often referred
to in the epistle, agree well with the known condition of the
church m Palestine. That it was subjected to great trials, we
know; and though this was extensively true of other churches, yet
it is probable that there were more vexatious and grievous
exactions - that there was more spite and malice - that there
were more of the trial, arising from the separation of families
and the losses of property attending a profession of Christianity
in Palestine, than a elsewhere in the early Christian church. 
     These  considerations - though not conclusive as to furnish
absolute demonstration - go far to settle the question. They seem
to me so strong, as to preclude any reasonable doubt; and are
such as the mind can repose on with a great degree of confidence,
in regard to the original destination of the epistle.

Was it addressed to a particular church in Palestine, or to the
Hebrew Christians there in general? 
     Whether it was addressed to the churches in general in
Palestine, or to a particular church there, it is now impossible
to determine. Professor Stuart inclines to the opinion, that it
was addressed to the church in Caesarea. The ancients in general
supposed it was addressed to the church in Jerusalem.  There are
some local references in the epistle, which look as though it was
directed to some particular church. But the means of determining
this question are put beyond our reach, and it is of little
importance to settle the question. From the allusion to the
temple, the priesthood, the sacrifice, and the whole train of
peculiar institutions there, it would seem probable that
it was directed to the church in Jerusalem.  As that was the
capital of the nation, and the centre of religious influence, and
as there was a large and flourishing church there, this opinion
would seem to have great probability; but it is impossible now to
determine it. If we suppose that the author sent the epistle, in
the first instance, to some local church, near the central seat
of the great influence which he intended to reach by it -
addressing to that church the particular communications in the
last verses - we shall make a supposition which, so far as can
now be ascertained, will accord with the truth in the case.

3. THE AUTHOR OF THE EPISTLE

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We shall continue with Barnes' comments on the author of Hebrews
in part two of this Introduction.

November 2006





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Chapter Ninety-five:

The Epistle to Hebrews - Introduction #2

                            

                   Epistle of Hebrews - Introduction #2


The following is taken from Albert Barnes' "Notes On The New
Testament"


THE AUTHOR OF THE EPISTLE

     To those who are familiar with the investigation which have
taken place in regard to this epistle, it need not be said that
the question of its authorship has given rise to much discussion.
The design of these Notes does not permit me to go at length into
this inquiry. Those who are disposed to see the investigation
pursued at length, and to see the objections to the Pauline
origin examined in a most satisfactory manner, can find it done
in the Introduction to the Epistle to the Hebrews, by Professor
Stuart, pp.77-200. All that my purpose requires is to state, in a
very brief manner, the evidence on which it is ascribed to the
apostle Paul. That evidence is, briefly, the following:

(1) That derived from the church at Alexandria. Clement of
Alexandria says, that Paul wrote to the Hebrews; and that this
was the opinion of Pantaenus, who was at the head of the
celebrated Christian school at Alexandria, and who flourished
about A.D.180. Pantaenus lived near Palestine. He must have been
acquainted with the prevailing opinions on the subject, and his
testimony must be regarded as proof, that the epistle was
regarded as Paul's by the churches in that region. Origen, also,
of Alexandria, ascribes the epistle to Paul: though he say, that
the sentiments are those of Paul, but that the words and phrases
belong to some one relating the apostle's sentiments, end, as it
were, commenting on the words of his master. The testimony of the
church at Alexandria was uniform, after the time of Origen, that
it was the production of Paul. Indeed, there seem, never to have
been any doubt in regard to it there; and from the commencement
it was admitted as his production. The testimony of that church
and school is particularly valuable, because (a) it was. near to
Palestine, where the epistle was probably sent; (b) Clement
particularly had travelled much, and would be likely to
understand the prevailing sentiments of the East; (c) Alexandria
was the seat of the of the celebrated theological school of the
early Christian ages, and those who were at the head of the
school would be likely to have correct information on a point
like this; and (d) Origen is admitted to have been the most
learned of the Greek Fathers, and his testimony, that the 
"sentiments" were those of Paul, may be regarded an of peculiar
value.

(2) It was inserted in the translation into the Syriac, made very
early in the second century, and in the old Italic version; and
was hence believed to be of apostolic origin, and is, by the
inscription, ascribed to Paul. This may be allowed to express the
general sense of the churches at that time, as this would not
have been done unless there had been a general impression that
the epistle was written by him. The fact, that it was early
regarded as an inspired book, is also conclusively shown by the
fact that the second epistle of Peter, and the second and third
epistles of John are not found in that version. They came later
into circulation than the other epistles, and were not possessed,
or regarded as genuine, by the author of that version. The
epistle to the Hebrews IS found in these versions, and was,
therefore, regarded as one of the inspired books. In those
versions it bears the inscription, "To the Hebrews."

(3) This epistle was received as the production of Paul by the
Eastern churches. Justin Martyr, who was born at Samaria, quotes
it, about the year 140.  It was found, as has been already
remarked, in the Peshito - the old Syriac version, made in the
early part of the second century. Jacob, bishop of Nisibis, also,
(about A.D.325,) repeatedly quotes it as the production of an
apostle.
Ephrem Syrus, or the Syrian, abundantly ascribes this
epistle to Paul. He was the disciple of Jacob of Nisibis, and  no
was better qualified to inform himself on this point than Ephrem.
No man stands deservedly higher in the memory of the Eastern
churches. After him, all the Syrian churches acknowledged the
canonical authority of the epistle to the Hebrews. But the most
important testimony of the Eastern church is that of Eusebius, 
bishop of Caesarea, in Palestine. He is the well-known historian
of the church, and he took pains, from all quarters to recollect
testimony in regard to the Books of Scripture. He says, "There
are fourteen epistles of Paul, manifest and well known: but yet
them are some who reject that to the Hebrews, alleging, in behalf
of their opinion, that it was not received by the church of Rome
and a writing of Paul."
The testimony of Eusebius is particularly important.   
He had heard all the objection to its canonical authority. He
had weighed that objection. Yet, in view of the testimony in the
case, he regarded it as the undoubted production of Paul. As such
is was received in the churches in the East; and the fact which
he mention, that its genuineness bad been disputed by the church
of Rome, and that be specifies no other church, proves that it
had NOT been called in question in the East. This seem 
sufficient testimony, to settle this inquiry.     The writers
here referred to lived in the very country which the epistle was
evidently written, and their testimony is uniform. Justin Martyr
was born in Samaria; Ephrem passed his life in Syria; Eusebius
lived in Caesarea; and Origen passed the last twenty years of his
life in Palestine. The churches there were unanimous in the
opinion, that this epistle was written by Paul, and their united
testimony should settle the question. Indeed, when their
testimony is considered, it seems remarkable that the subject
should have been regarded as doubtful by critics, or that it
should have give rise to much protracted investigation. I might
add to the testimonies above referred to the feet, that the
epistle was declared to be Paul's by the following persons: 

Archeleus, bishop of Mesopotamia, about A.D.300; Adamantius,
about 330; Cyril, of Jerusalem, about 348; the Council of
Laodicea, about 363: Epiphanies, about 368; Basil, 370; Gregory
Nazianzen, 370; Cheysostom, 398, etc, etc. Why should not the
testimony of such men and churches be admitted? What more clear
or decided evidence could we wish, in regard to any act of
ancient history? Would not such testimony be ample in regard to
an anonymous oration of Cicero, or poem of Virgil or Homer? Are
we not constantly acting on far feebler evidence in regard to the
authorship of many productions of celebrated English writers?

(4) In regard to the Western churches, it is to be admitted,
that, like the second epistle of Peter, and the second and third
epistles of John, the canonical authority was for some time
doubted, or was even called in question. But this may be
accounted for. The epistle had not the name of the author. All
the other epistles of Paul had. As the epistle was addressed to
the Hebrews in Palestine, it may not have been soon known to the
Western churches. As there were spurious epistles and gospels, at
an early age, much caution would be used in admitting any
anonymous production to a place in the sacred canon. Yet it was
not long before all these doubts were removed, and the epistle to
the Hebrews was allowed to take its place among the
other acknowledged writing, of Paul. It was received as the
epistle of Paul by Hilary, bishop of Poictiers, about A.D.354; by
Lucifer, bishop of Cagliari, 354; by Victorinus, 360; by Ambrose,
bishop of Milan, 360; by Rufinus, 387, etc., etc. Jerome, the
well-known Latin Father, uses in regard to it the following
language: "This is to be maintained, that this epistle, which is
inscribed to the Hebrews, is not only received by the churches at
the East as the apostle Paul's, but has been in past times by all
ecclesiastical writers in the Greek language; although most
[Latins] think that Barnabas or Clement was the author."

Still, it was not rejected by the Latins. Some received
it in the time of Jerome as the production or Paul. See
Stuart, pp.114,115, for the full testimony of Jerome. Augustine
admitted that the epistle was written by Paul. He mentions that
Paul wrote fourteen epistles, and specifies particularly the
epistle to the Hebrews. He often cites it an a part of Scripture,
and quotes it as the production, of an apostle. Stuart, p.115.   
From the time of Augustine it was undisputed. By the council of
Hippo, A.D. 393, the third council of Carthage 397, and the fifth
council of Carthage, 419, it was declared to be the epistle of
Paul, and was, as such, commended to the churches.

(5) As another proof that it is the writing of Paul, we may
appeal to the internal evidence. 

(a) The author of the epistle was the companion and friend of
Timothy. "Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty" -
or is sent away - (The Greek is given) "with whom, if he come
speedily, I will make you a visit," ch, xiii.23.  Sent away,
perhaps, on a journey to visit some of the churches, and
expected soon to return. In, Phil.ii.19, Paul speaks of sending
Timothy to them "so soon as he should see how it would go with
him," at the same time expressing a hope that he should himself
see them shortly. What is more natural than to suppose that he
had now sent Timothy to Philippi; that during his absence he
wrote this epistle; that he was waiting for his return; and that
he proposed, if Timothy should return soon, to visit Palestine
with him? And who would more naturally say this than the apostle
Paul - the companion and friend of Timothy - by whom he had been
accompanied in his travels, and by whom he was regarded with
special interest as a minister of the gospel? 

(b) In ch.xiii.18,19, he asks their prayers, that he might be
restored to them; and in ver.23, he expresses a confident
expectation of being able soon to come and see them. From this it
is evident that he was then imprisoned, but had hope of speedy
release - a state of things in exact accordance with what existed
at Rome. Phil ii.17-24. 

(c) He was in bonds when he wrote this epistle. Heb.x.34, "Ye had
compassion of me in my bonds" -  an expression that will exactly
apply to the case of Paul. He was in "bonds" in Palestine - he
was two whole years in Caesarea a prisoner, (Acts xxiv.27 ;) and
what was more natural than that the Christians in Palestine
should have had compassion on him, and ministered to his wants?  
To what other person would these circumstances so certainly be
applicable? 

(d) The salutation, (ch.xiii.24,) "they of Italy salute you;"
agrees with the supposition that it was written by Paul when a
prisoner at Rome. Paul writing from Rome, and acquainted with
Christians from other parts of Italy, would be likely to send
such a salutation. In regard to the objection which maybe made to
this use of the passage, the reader may consult Stuart's Intro.
to the Hebrews, p.127, seq.   

(e) The doctrines of the epistle are the same as those which are
taught by Paul in his undisputed writings. It is true that this
consideration is not conclusive, but the want of it would be con-
clusive evidence AGAINST the position that Paul wrote it. But the
resemblance is not general. It is not such as any man would
exhibit who held to the same general system of truth. It relates,
to peculiarities of doctrine, and is such as would be manifested
by a man who had been reared and trained as Paul had. No one can
doubt that the author was formerly a Jew - and a Jew who had been
familiar, to an uncommon degree, with the institutions of the
Jewish religion. Every rite and ceremony - very form of opinion -
every fact in their history - is perfectly familiar to him. And
though the other apostles were Jews, yet we can hardly suppose
that they had the familiarity with the minute rites and
ceremonies so accurately referred to in this epistle, and so
fully illustrated.  With Paul all this was perfectly natural.    
He had been brought up at the feet of Gamaliel, he had spent the
early part of his life at Jerusalem, in the careful study of the
Old Testament, in the examination of the prevalent opinions, and
in the attentive observance of the rites of religion. The other
apostles had been born and trained, apparently, on the bank of
Gennesareth, and certainly with few of the opportunities which
Paul had had for becoming acquainted with the institutions of the
temple.
This consideration is fatal, in my view, to the claim which has
been set up for Clement as the author of the epistle. It is
wholly incredible, that a foreigner should be so familiar with
the Jewish opinions, laws, institutions, and history, as the
author of this epistle manifestly was.
There is the same preference for Christianity over Judaism in
this epistle which is shown by Paul in his other epistles, and
exhibited in the same form.   
Among these points are the following: 

The gospel imparts superior light. Comp. Gal.iv.3,9; I Cor.xiv.
20; Eph.iv.11-13; 2 Cor.iii.18: with Heb.i.l,2; ii.2-4; iii.
9-11; x.1; xi.39,40. The gospel holds out superior motives and 
encouragements to piety. Comp. Gal.iii.23; iv.2,3; Rom.viii.
15-17; Gal.iv.4; v.13; 1 Cor.vii.19: Gal.vi.15; with Heb.ix.9,
14; xii.18-24,28; viii.6-13.  The gospel is superior in promoting
the real and permanent happiness of mankind. Comp. Gal.iii.10; 
2 Cor.iii.7,9; Rom.iii.20; iv.24,25; Eph.i.7; Rom.v.1,2; Gal.ii.
16; and the same views in Rom.ii.18-21; ix.9: x.4,11; vi.18-20;
vii.25; ix.24. 
The Jewish dispensation was a type and shadow of the Christian.
See Col.ii.16,17; 1 Cor.x.1-6; Rom.v.14; l Cor.xv.45-47; 2 Cor.
iii.13-18; Gal.iv.22-31; iv.1-5; and, far the same or similar
views, see Hebrews ix.9-14; x.1; vii.1-9; ix.22-24. The Christian
religion was designed to be perpetual, while the Jewish was
intended to be abolished. See 2 Col.iii.10,11,13,18; iv.14-16;
Rom.vii.4-6; Gel.iii.21-25; iv.1-7; v.1; and, for similar views,
compare Heb.viii.6-8,13; vii.17-19; x.1-14.  
The person of the Mediator is presented in the same light by the
writer of the epistle to the Hebrews and by Paul. See Phil.ii.6
-11; Col.i.15-20; 2 Cor.viii.9; Eph.iii.9; I Cor.ii.6; xv.25-27;
and, for the same and similar views, see Heb.i.2,3; ii.9,14; xii.
2; ii.8; x.13. 
The death of Christ is the propitiatory sacrifice for sin. See 1
Tim.i.15; 1 Cor.xv.3; Rom.viii.32; iii.24; Gal.i.4; ii.20; 1 Cor.
v.7; Eph.i.7; Col.i.14; 1 Tim.ii.6; I Cor.vi.20; vii.23; Rom.v.
12-21; iii.20,28; viii.3; 1 Tim.ii.5,6. For similar views, see
Heb.i.3; ii.9; v.8,9; vii., viii., ix., x. 

The general method and arrangement of this epistle, and the
acknowledged epistles of Paul, are the same. It resembles
particularly the epistles to the Romans and the Galatians, where
we have first a doctrinal, and then a practical part. The same is
true also, to some extent, of the epistles to the Ephesians,
Colossians, and Philippians. The epistle to the Hebrews is
on the same plan.   
As far as ch.x.19, it is principally doctrinal; the remainder is
mainly practical. The manner of appealing to, and applying the
Jewish Scriptures, is the same in this epistle as in those of
Paul.
The general structure of the epistle, and the slightest
comparison between them, will show this with sufficient
clearness. 
The general remark to be made in view of this comparison is, that
the epistle to the Hebrews is just each an one as Paul might be
expected to write; that it agrees with what we know to have been
his early training, his views, his manner of life, his opinions  
and his habit in writing; that it accords better with his views
than with those of any other known writer of antiquity; and that
it falls in with the circumstances in which he was known to be
placed, and the general object which he bad in view. 

So satisfactory are these views to my mind, that they seem to
have all the force of demonstration which can be had in regard to
any anonymous publication; and it is a matter of wonder that so
much doubt has been experienced, in reference to the question who
was the author.

(AMEN, to Barnes' comments above. As I have read Paul over and
over again for forty years of my life now, I can only see in
Hebrews the continuation of the very mind and theology and
education of "Jewishness" that is in Paul. As to technical style
and Greek grammar and all that, which some take as this epistle
not being written by paul, my answer it that Paul was a man of
multi-personality, as can be seen by reading the epistles which
do sign his name to them. He adapted his personality and way of
writing to fit the situation and circumstance, the need as to
what needed to be said for that issue, and the way it needed to
be said and taught.
Yes, to me the very context of Hebrews has the personality and
nature and theology of the apostle Paul written all over it -
Keith Hunt)

It is difficult to account for the fact, that the name of the
author was omitted. It is found in every other epistle of Paul,
and, in general, it is appended to the epistles in the New
Testament. It is omitted, however, in the three epistles of John,
for reasons which are no unknown.  And there may have been
similar reasons, also unknown, for omitting it in this case. The
simple fact is, that it is anonymous; and, whoever was the
author, the same difficulty will exist in accounting for it. If
this fact will prove that Paul was not the author, it would prove
the same thing in regard to any other person; and would thus be,
ultimately, conclusive evidence that it had no author. What were
the reasons for omitting the name can be only matter of
conjecture. The most probable opinion, as it seems to
me, is this. The name of Paul was odious to the Jews. He was
regarded by the nation as an apostate from their religion, and
everywhere they slowed peculiar malignity against him. See the
Acts of the Apostles. The fact that he was as regarded by them,
might indirectly influence even those who had converted from
Judaism to Christianity. They lived in Palestine. They were near
the temple, and were engaged in its ceremonies and sacrifices -
for there is no evidence that they broke off from those
observances on their conversion to Christianity. Paul was abroad.
It might have been reported that he was preaching against the
temple and its sacrifices, and even the Jewish Christians in
Palestine might have supposed that he was carrying matters too
far. In these circumstances it might have been IMPRUDENT for him
to have announced his name at the outset, for it might be have
aroused prejudices which a wise man would wish to allay.    

But if he could present an argument, somewhat in the form of an
essay, showing that he believed that the Jewish institutions were
appointed by God, and that he was not an apostate and an infidel;
if he could conduct a demonstration that would accord in the main
with the prevailing view of the Christians in Palestine, and that
was adapted to strengthen them is the faith of the gospel, and
explain we to them the true nature of the Jewish rites, then the
object could be gained without difficulty, and then they would be
prepare to learn that Paul was the author, without prejudice or
alarm.    

Accordingly he thus conducts the argument; and, at the close,
gives them such INTIMATIONS that they would understand
who wrote it without much difficulty. 

If this was the motive, it was an instance of tact such as was
certainly characteristic of Paul, and such as was not unworthy
any man.

I have no doubt that this was the true motive. It would be soon
known who wrote it; and, accordingly, we have seen it was never
disputed in the Eastern churches.

(Amen again to Albert Barnes - I do fully believe this epistle
was written by the apostle Paul. Of course we shall await the
return of Jesus and the resurrection of Paul, for him to affirm
or not that he did write this epistle - Keith Hunt)

TIME WHEN WRITTEN

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The following is taken from Albert Barnes' "Notes On The New
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THE TIME WHEN WRITTEN

     In regard to the time when this epistle was written, and the
place where, critics have been better agreed than on most of the
questions which have been started in regard to it. Mill was of
opinion, that it was written by Paul in the year 63, in some part
of Italy, soon after he bad been released from imprisonment at
Rome. Wetstein was of the came opinion, Tillemont also places
this epistle in the year 63, and supposed that it war written
while Paul was at Rome, or at least in Italy, and soon after he
was released from imprisonment. Basnage supposes it was written
about the year 61, and during the imprisonment of the apostle.
Lardeer supposes, also, that it was written in the beginning of
the year 63, and soon after the apostle was released from his
confinement. This also is the opinion of Calmet. 

     The circumstances in the epistle, which will enable to form
an opinion on the question about the time and the place, are the
following:

(1) It was written while the temple was still standing, and
before Jerusalem was destroyed. This is evident from the whole
structure of the epistle. There is no allusion to the destruction
of the temple or the city, which there certainly would have been
if they had been destroyed. Such an event would have contributed
much to the object in view, and would have furnished an
irrefragable argument, that the institutions of the Jews were
intended to be superseded by another and a more perfect system.  
Moreover, there are allusions in the epistle which suppose that
the temple-service were then performed. See Heb.ix,9; viii.
4,5. But the city and temple were destroyed in the year 70, and
of course the epistle war written before that year.

(2.) It was evidently written before the civil wars and
commotions in Judea, which terminated in the destruction of the
city and nation. This is clear, because there are no allusions to
any such disorders or troubles in Palestine; and there is no
intimation that they were suffering the evils incident to a state
of war. Comp.ch.xii 4. But those wars commenced A.D.66, and
evidently the epistle was written before that time.

(3) They were not suffering the evils of violent persecution.    
They had indeed formerly suffered, (comp.ch.x.32,34 ;) James and
Stephen had been put to death, (Acts vii., xii;) but there was no
violent and bloody persecution then raging, in which they were
called to defend their religion at the expense of blood and life.
Ch.x.32,33. But the persecution under Nero began in the year 64;
and though it began at Rome, and was confined, to a considerable
degree, to Italy, yet it is not improbable that it extended to
other place, and it is to be presumed, that if such a persecution
were raging at the time when the epistle was written, there would
be some allusion to this fact. It may be set down, therefore,
that it was written before the year, 64.

(4) It is equally true, that the epistle was written during the
latter part of the apostolic age. The author speaks of the former
days, in which, after they were illuminated, they had endured a
great fight of afflictions, and when they were made a
gazing-stock, and were plundered by their oppressors, (ch.x.32,
34;) and he speaks of them as having been so long converted, that
they ought to have been qualified to teach others, (ch.v.12;) and
hence it is fairly to be inferred, that they were not RECENT
converts, but that the church there had been established for a
considerable period. It may be added, that it was after the
writer had been imprisoned - as I suppose in Caesarea, (see
§3)- when they had ministered to him, ch.x.34. But this was as
late as the year 60.

(5) At the tine when Paul wrote the epistles to the Ephesians,
Philippines, and Colossians, he had hopes of deliverance.   
Timothy was evidently with him. But now he was absent. Ch.xiii
23. In the epistle to the Philippians, (ch.ii.19-23,) he says, 
"But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto
you, that I may be also of good comfort, when I know your state."
He expected, therefore, that Timothy would come back to him at
Rome. It is probable that Timothy was sent soon after
this. The apostle had a fair prospect of being set at liberty,
and sent him to them. During his absence at this time, it would
seem probable, this epistle was written. Thus the writer says, 
(ch.xiii.23) "Know ye that our brother Timothy is SET AT LIBERTY"
- or rather, SENT AWAY, or SENT ABROAD, (see note in that place;)
"with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you."  That is, if he
returns soon, as I expect him, I will pay you a visit. It is
probable that the epistle was written while Timothy was thus
absent at Philippi; and, when he returned, Paul and he went to
Palestine, and thence to Ephesus. If so, it was written somewhere
about the year 63, as this was the time when Paul was set at
liberty.

(6.) The epistle was written evidently in Italy.  Thus, in ch.   
xiii.24, the writer says, "They of Italy salute you:" This would
be the natural form of salutation, on the supposition that it was
written there. He mentions none by name, as he does in his other
epistle., for it is probable that none of those who were at Rome
would be known by name in Palestine. But there was a GENERAL
salutation, showing the interest which he had in the Christians
in Judea, and expressive of regard to their welfare. This
expression is, to my mind, conclusive evidence that the epistle
was written in Italy; and IN Italy there was no place where this
would be so likely to occur as at Rome.

THE LANGUAGE IN WHICH IT WAS WRITTEN

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THE LANGUAGE IN WHICH IT WAS WRITTEN

     This is a vexed and still unsettled question, and it does
not seem to be possible to determine it with any considerable
degree of certainty. Critics, of the ablest name, have been
divided on it; and, what is remarkable, have appealed to the same
arguments to prove exactly opposite opinions - one class arguing
that the style of the epistle is such as to prove that it was
written in Hebrew, and the other appeal to the same proofs to
demonstrate that it was written in Greek. 
     Among those who have supposed that it was written in Hebrew
are the following, viz. :- Some of the Fathers - as Clement of
Alexandria, Theodoret, John Damascenes, Theophylact; and among
the moderns, Michaelis has been the most strenuous defender of
this opinion. This opinion was also held by the late Dr.James P.
Wilson, who says, "It was probably written in the vulgar language
of the Jews; that is, in that mixture of Hebrew, Syriac, and
Chaldee, which was usually spoken in the time of the Saviour, and
which was known as the Syro-Chaldaic."
     On the other hand, the great body of Critics have supposed
it was written in the Greek language. This was the opinion of
Fabricius, Whitby, Beausobre, Capellus, Basnage, Mill, and
others; and is also the  pinion of Lardner, Hug, Stuart, and
perhaps of most modem critics. These opinions may be seen
examined at length in Michaelis' Introduction, Hug, Stuart; and
Lardner.

     The arguments in support of the opinion, that it was written
in Hebrew, are briefly the following: 

(l) The testimony of the Fathers. Thus, Clement of Alexandria
say., "Paul wrote to the Hebrew, in the Hebrew language, and Luke
carefully translated it into Greek." Jerome Says, "Paul, as a
Hebrew, wrote to the Hebrews in Hebrew - Scrlpserat ut Hebraeus
Hebraeis Hebraice;" and then he adds, "This epistle was
translated into Greek, so that the colouring of the style was
made diverse in this way from that of Paul's." 

(2.) The fact that it was written for the use of the Hebrews, who
spoke the Hebrew, or the Talmudic language, is alleged as a
reason for supposing that it must have been written in that
language. 

(3) It is alleged by Michaelis, that the style of the Greek, as
we now have it, is far more pure and classical than Paul
else-where employs, and that hence it is to be inferred, that it
was translated by some man who was master of the Greek language.
On this, however, the most eminent critics disagree.   

(4) It is Alleged by Michaelis, that the quotations in the
epistle, as we have it, are made from the Septuagint, and that
they are foreign to the purpose which the writer had in view as
they are now quoted, whereas they are exactly in point as they
stand in the Hebrew. Hence, he infers, that the original Hebrew
was quoted by the author, and that the translator used the common
version at hand, instead of making an exact translation for
himself. Of the fact alleged here, however, there may be good
ground to raise a question and if it were so, it would not prove
that the writer might not have used the common and accredited
translation, though less to his purpose than the original. Of the
fact, moreover, to which Michaelis here refers, Professor Stuart
says, "He has not adduced a single instance, of what he calls a
WRONG translation, which wears the appearance of any considerable
probability."  The only instance, urged by Michaelis, which seems
to me to be plausible, is Hob.i.7. 

     These are the principal arguments which have been urged in
favour of the opinion, that this epistle was written in the
Hebrew language. They are evidently not conclusive. The only
argument, of any considerable weight, is the testimony of some of
the Fathers, and it may be denoted whether they gave this as a
matter of historical fact, or only as a matter of opinion. See
Hug's Introduction, § 144. It is morally certain, that, in
one respect, their statement CANNOT be true. They state, that it
was translated by Luke; but it is capable of the clearest proof,
that it was not translated by Luke, the author of the Gospel and
the Acts of the Apostles, since there is the most remarkable
dissimilarity in the style.

     On the other hand, there are alleged in favour of the
opinion, that it was written in Greek, the following
considerations, viz. :-

(1) The fact that we have NO Hebrew original. If it was written
in Hebrew, the original was early lost. None of the Fathers say
that they had seen it; none quote it. ALL the COPIES that we have
are in GREEK. If it was written n Hebrew, and the original was
destroyed, it must have been at every early period; and it is
remarkable that no one should have mentioned the fact, or alluded
to it. Besides, it is scarcely conceivable that the original
should have so soon perished, and that the translation should
have altogether taken its place. If it was addressed to the
Hebrews in Palestine, the same reason which made it proper that
it should have been written in Hebrew, would have led them to
retain it in that language; and we might have supposed, that
Origen, or Eusebius, or Jerome, who lived there, or Ephrem the
Syrian, would have adverted to the fact, that there was there a
Hebrew original. The Jews were remarkable for retaining their
sacred books in the language in which they were written; and, if
this were written in Hebrew, it is difficult to account for the
fact, that it was so soon suffered to perish.

(2) The presumption - a presumption amounting to almost a moral
certainty - is, that an apostle writing to the Christians in
Palestine would write in Greek. This presumption is based on the
following circumstances: 

(a) The fact, that all the other books of the New Testament were
written is Greek, unless the gospel by Matthew be an exception.
(b) This occurred is cases where it would seem to have been as
improbable, as it was that one writing to the Hebrews should use
that language. For instance, Paul wrote to the church in Rome in
the Greek language, though the Latin language was that which was
in universal use there.  

(c) The Greek was a common language in the East. It seems to have
been familiarly spoken, and to have been and commonly understood.

(d Like the other books of the New Testament, this epistle do not
appear to have been intended  to be confined to the Hebrews only.
The writings of the apostles were regarded as the property of
the church at large. Those writings would be copied,
spread abroad. The Greek was a far better language for such a
purpose than the Hebrew. It was polished, and elegant; was
adapted to the purpose of discoursing on moral subjects; was
fitted to express delicate shades of thought; and was the
language which was best understood by the world at large.
     
(e) It was the language which Paul would naturally use, unless
there was a strong reason for his employing the Hebrew.     
Though he was able to speak in Hebrew, (Acts xxi.40,) yet he had
spent his early days in Tarsus, where the Greek was the
vernacular tongue, and it was probably that which he had first
learned.  Besides this, when this epistle was written he had been
absent from Palestine about twenty-five years, and in all that
time he bad been there but a few days, He had been where the
Greek language was universally spoken. He bad been among Jews who
spoke that language. It was the language used in their
synagogues, and Paul had addressed them in it. After thus
preaching, conversing, and writing in that language for
twenty-five years, is it any wonder that he should prefer writing
in i t - that he should naturally do it? and is it not to be
presumed that he would do it in this case? These presumptions are
so strong, that they ought to be allowed to settle a question of
this kind, unless there is positive proof to the contrary.

(3) There is internal proof that it was written in the Greek
language. The evidence of this kind consists in the fact, that
the writer bases an argument on the meaning and force of Greek
words, which could not have occurred had he written in Hebrew.   
Instances of this kind are such as these.    

(a) In ch.ii. he applies a passage from Psa. viii. to prove that
the Son of God must have had a human nature, which was to be
exalted above the angels, and placed at the head of the creation.
The passage is, "Thou bast made him a little while inferior to
the ANGELS," ch.ii.7. margin. In the Hebrew, in Psa. viii.5, the
word rendered angels, is  - Elohim - God; and the sense of
angel, attached to that word, though it may sometimes occur, is
so unusual, that an argument would not have been built on the
Hebrew. 

(b) In ch.vii.1, the writer has explained the name Melchizedek,
and translated it king of Salem - telling what it is in Greek - a
thing which would not have been done if it had be written in
Hebrew, where the word was well understood. It is possible,
indeed, that a translator might have done this; but the
explanation seems to be interwoven with the discourse itself, and
to constitute a part of the argument.   

(c) In ch.ix.16,17, there is an argument on the meaning of the
word COVENANT - which could not have occurred had the epistle
been in Hebrew. It is founded in the DOUBLE meaning of that word
- denoting both a covenant and a testament, or will. The Hebrew
word, - Berith - has NO such DOUBLE signification. It means
COVENANT only, and is never used in the sense of the word WILL,
or TESTAMENT.  The proper translation of that word would be -
"syntheke" - but the translators of the Septuagint (the Greek
translation of the Old Testament - Keith Hunt) uniformly used the
former, - "diatheke" - and on this word the argument of the
apostle is based. This could not have been done by a translator;
it must have been by the original author, for it is incorporated
into the argument.  

(d) In ch.x.3-9, the author shows that Christ came to make an
atonement for sin, and that in order to this it was necessary
that he should have a human body. This, he shows, was not only
necessary, but was predicted. In doing this, be appeals to
Psa.xl.6 - "A body halt thou prepared form me." But the Hebrew
here is, "Mine EARS hast thou opened." This passage would have
been much less pertinent than the other form - "a body hast thou
prepared me;" and, indeed, it is not easy to see how it would
bear at all on the object in view. Sea ver.10. But in the
Septuagint the phrase stands as he quotes it - "a body hast thou
prepared for me" a fact which demonstrates, whatever difficulties
there may be about the principle on which be makes the quotation,
that the epistle wee written in Greek. It may be added, that it
has nothing of the appearance of a translation. It is not stiff,
forced, or constrained in style, as translations usually are.    
It is impassioned, free, flowing, full of animation, life, and
colouring, and has all the appearance of being an original
composition.   

So clear have these considerations appeared, that the great body
of critics now concur in the opinion that the epistle was
originally written in Greek.


THE  DESIGN AND GENERAL ARGUMENT OF THE EPISTLE


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The use of the Greek Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old
Testament) in the first century Church of God, and in the
writings of the apostle Paul, with other Greek translations and
paraphrases of parts of the Old Testament, may come as a surprise
to many. The use of the Greek was extensive and the reader is
pointed to an indepth study on this Website "Paul's Use of the
Old Testament" to show the truth of the matter - a truth that
will shock and certainly be a surprised education for many.
(Keith Hunt)

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THE DESIGN AND GENERAL ARGUMENT OF THE EPISTLE

     The general purpose of this epistle is, to preserve those to
whom it was sent from the danger of apostasy. Their danger on
this subject did not arise so much from persecution, as from the
circumstances that were fitted to attract them again to the
Jewish religion. The temple, it is supposed, and indeed it is
evident, was still standing. The morning and evening sacrifice
was still offered.  The splendid rites of that imposing religion
were still observed. The authority of the law was undisputed.    
Moses was a lawgiver, sent from God; and no one doubted that the
Jewish form of religion had been instituted by their forbear,
conformity with the direction of God. Their religion had been
founded amidst remarkable manifestations of the Deity - in
flames, and smoke, and thunder; it had been communicated by the
ministration of angels; it had on its side, and in its favour,
all the venerableness and sanction of a remote antiquity; and it
commended itself by the pomp of its ritual, and by the splendour
of its ceremonies. 
     On the other hand, the new form of religion had little or
nothing of this to commend it. It was of recent origin. It was
founded by the Man of Nazareth, who had been trained up in their
own land, and who had been a carpenter, and who had had an
extraordinary advantages of education. Its rites were few and
simple. It had no splendid temple-service were none of the pomp
and pageantry, the music and the magnificence, of the ancient
religion. It had no splendid array of priest, in magnificent
vestments, and it had not been imparted by the ministry of
angels. 
     Fishermen were its ministers; and, by the body of the
nation, it was regarded as a schism, or heresy, that enlisted in
its favour only the most humble and lowly of the people.
     In these circumstances, how natural was it for the enemies
of the gospel in Judea to contrast the two forms of religion, and
how keenly would Christians there feel it! All that was said of
the antiquity and the Divine origin of the Jewish religion, they
knew and admitted; all that was said of its splendour and
magnificence, they saw; and all that was said of the humble
origin of their own religion, they were constrained to admit
also.
     Their danger was not that arising from persecution. It was
that of being affected by considerations like these, and of
relapsing again into the religion of their fathers, and of
apostatizing from the gospel; and it was a danger which beset
another part of the Christian world.
     To meet and counteract this danger was the design of this
epistle. Accordingly, the writer contrasts the two religions in
all the great points on which the mind of Christians in Judea
would be likely to be effected, and show. the superiority of the
Christian religion over the Jewish in every respect, and
especially in the points that had so much attracted their
attention, and affected their hearts. 

     He begins by showing that the Author of the Christian
religion was superior in rank to any, and all, who had ever
delivered the word of God to man. He was superior to the
prophets, and even to the angels. He was over all things, and all
things were subject to him. There was, therefor, a special reason
why they should listen to him, and obey his commands. Ch.i.,ii.
     He was superior to Moses, the great Jewish lawgiver, whom
they venerated so much, and on whom they so much prided
themselves. Ch.iii. 
     Having shown that the Great Founder of the Christian
religion was superior to the prophets, to Moses, and to the
angels, the writer proceeds to show, that the Christian religion
was characterized by having a High Priest superior to that of the
Jews, and of whom the Jewish high priest was but a type and
emblem. 
     He shows, that all the rites of the ancient religion,
splendid as they were, were also but types, and were to vanish
away - for they had had their fulfilment in the realities, of the
Christian faith. He shows, that the Christian's High Priest
derived his origin, and his rank, from a more venerable antiquity
than the Jewish high priest did; for he went back to Melchizedek,
who lived long before Aaron; and that he had far superior dignity
from the fact, that he had entered into the most Holy place -
into heaven. The Jewish high priest entered once a year into the
most holy place in the temple; the Great High Priest of the
Christian faith had entered into the most holy place - of which
that was but the type and emblem - into heaven.   
     In short, whatever there was of dignity and honour in the
Jewish faith, had more than its counterpart in the Christian
religion; and, while the Christian religion was permanent, that
was fading. 
     The rites of the Jewish system, magnificent as they were,
were designed to be temporary. They were more types and shadows
of things to come. They had their fulfilment in Christianity.
That had an Author more exalted in rank, by far, than the author
of the Jewish system; it bad a High Priest more elevated and
enduring; it had rites, which brought men nearer to God; it was
the substance of what in the temple-service was type and shadow. 
     By considerations such we these, the author of this epistle
endeavours to preserve them from apostasy. Why should they go
back? Why should they return to a less perfect system? Why go
back from the substance to the shadow? Why turn away from
the true Sacrifice to the type and emblem? Why linger around the
earthly tabernacle, and contemplate the high priest there, while
they had a more perfect and glorious High Priest, who had entered
into the heavens? And why should they turn away from the only
perfect sacrifice - the great offering made for transgression -
and go back to the bloody rites, which were to be renewed every
day? And why forsake the perfect system - the system that was to
endure for ever - for that which was to vanish away?   

     The author of this epistle is very careful to assure them,
that if they thus apostatized, there could be no hope
for them. If they now rejected the sacrifice of the Son of God,
there was no other sacrifice for sin. That was the last great
sacrifice for the sins of men. It was designed to close all
bloody offerings. It was not to be repeated.

     If that was rejected, there was no other. The Jewish rites
were soon to pass away; and even if they were not, they could not
cleanse the conscience from sin. Persecuted, then, though they
might be - reviled, ridiculed, opposed, yet they would not
abandon their Christian hope, for it was their all; they should  
not neglect Him who spoke to them from heaven, for, in dignity,
rank, and authority, he far surpassed all who, in former times,
had made known the will of God to men.

     This epistle, therefore, occupies a most important place in
the book of revelation, and without it that book would be
incomplete. It is the most full explanation, which we have, of
the meaning of the Jewish institutions. In the epistle to the
Romans we have a system of religious doctrine, end particularly a
defence of the great doctrine of justification by faith.         
     Important doctrines are discussed the other epistles; but
there was something wanted, that would show the meaning of the
Jewish rites and ceremonies, and their connexion with the
Christian scheme; thing which would show us how the thing was
paratory to the other; and, I may add, something that would
restrain the imagination, in endeavoring to show how the
one was desired to introduce the other. The one was a system of
type, and shadows. 
     
     But on nothing is the human mind more prone to wander, then
on the subject of emblems and analogies. This has been shown 
in the experience of the Christian church, from the time of
origin to the present. Systems of divinity, commentaries, and
sermons, have shown everywhere how prone men of ardent
imaginations have been, to find types in every thing pertaining
to the ancient economy; to discover hidden meanings in every 
ceremony, and to regard every pin, and hook, and instrument of
the tabernacle, as designed to some truth, and to shadow forth
some tale or doctrine of the Christian revelation. 

     It was desirable to have one book that should tell how that
is; to fetter down the imagination, and bind it by severe rules,
and to restrain the vagaries of honest but credulous devotion.

     Such a book we have in the Epistle to the Hebrews. The
ancient system is there explained by one who had been brought up
in the midst of it, and who understood it thoroughly; by one who
had a clear insight into the relation on which it bore to the
Christian economy; by one who was under the influence of Divine
inspiration, and who could not err. 

     The Bible would have been incomplete without this book: and
when I think of the relation between the Jewish end the Christian
systems - when I look an the splendid rites of the ancient
economy, and ask their meaning - when I wish a full guide to
heaven, and ask for that which gives completeness to the whole -
I turn instinctively to the Epistle to the Hebrew.     

     When I wish, also, that which shall give me the most
elevated view of the Great Author of Christianity, and of his
work, and the most clear conceptions of the sacrifice which he
made for sin; and when I look for considerations that shall be
most effectual in restraining the soul from apostasy, and for
considerations to enable it to bear trials with patience and with
hope, my mind recurs to this book; and I feel, that the book of
revelation, and the hope of man would be incomplete without it.


                          ......................

In part 6, I will reproduce from the KJV Study Bible, the outline
of the book of Hebrews (Keith Hunt)

November 2006



 New Testament Bible
Story 

Chapter Ninety-nine:

The Epistle to Hebrews - Introducation #6

                        


                     OUTLINE OF THE EPISTLE TO HEBREWS



The following is taken from the NKJV Personal Study Bible; Nelson
Publishers, 1990,1995.


I. The Son is God's final Word  1:1-4:13

     A. Christ superior to the angels  1:1-3
     B. Christ the eternal Son  1:4-2:18

     1. Superior because of His divine Sonship  1:4-14
     2. We must obey Him  2:1-4
     3. Superior because of His obedient humility  2:5-18

     C. Christ superior to Moses  3:1-4:13

     1. The Son superior to the faithful servant  3:1-6
     2. Christians are not to imitate unfaithful Israel  3:7-4:13

II. The Son is our High Priest  4:14-10:18

     A. Christ's priesthood produced  4:14-5:11

     1. An appropriate priesthood  4:4-16
     2. A superior priesthood  5:1-11

     B. The need for maturity  5:12-6:20

     1. The danger of immaturity  5:12-6:8
     2. God's provision for pressing on  6:9-20

     C. Christ's eternal priesthood  7:1-28

     1. Melchizedek superior to Levi  7:1-10
     2. The Son has replaced Aaron  7:11-28

     D. Christ's exalted priestly ministry  8:1-13

     1. Exercised at God's right hand  8:1-5
     2. Mediating a better covenant  8:6-13

     E. Christ's once for all sacrifice  9:1-10:10

     1. Not offered in the earthly sanctuary  9:1-10
     2. Accomplished by His own blood  9:11-22
     3. Completed once for all  9:23-28
     4. Made effective by obedience  10:1-10

     F. Summary  10:11-18

III. Response to out High Priest  10:9-13:17

     A. Enter the Holiest  10:19-31

     
     1. Draw near in faith  10:19-25
     2. Do not fall back through disobedience  10:26-31

     B. Persevere in faith  10:32-12:17

     1. You have endured suffering  10:32-39
     2. Old Testament saints endured suffering  11:1-40
     3. Christ endured suffering  12:1-4
     4. All God's children endure suffering  12:5-17

     C. Obey God's voice  12:18-29

     1. Access into God's presence  12:18-24
     2. The urgency of listening to God  12:25-29

     D. Obey in practice  13:1-17

     1. Show brotherly love  13:1-6
     2. Bear Christ's reproach  13:7-17

IV. Blessing and farewell  13: 18-25

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Entered on this Website November 2006

 

 

 

 

 

IS CHRIST COMING IN TWO PHASES— I ANSWER THE RAPTURE TEACHING

 

Christ's Coming in TWO parts?

FUNDAMENTAL PROTESTANT RAPTURE TEACHINGS

RETURN OF CHRIST IN TWO PARTS?

I ANSWER: 


TWO OF THE MOST POPULAR AND WELL-KNOWN PROTESTANT PROPHETS - TIM
LAHAYE AND ED HINDSON, HAVE GIVEN A LENGTHY EXPLANATION TO THE
FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN TEACHING EMBRACED BY THEIR FOLLOWERS, ON
THE "RAPTURE."

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT "RAPTURE" TO THEM MEANS "RESURRECTION"
BUT HOW THEY PUT THIS RESURRECTION TRUTH OF THE BIBLE TOGETHER
WITH CHRIST'S COMING ..... WELL THAT IS A DIFFERENT MATTER
ALTOGETHER.

THIS IS A SOMEWHAT LONG STUDY, BUT I NEED TO ANSWER THESE
FUNDAMENTAL GUYS SO YOU THE READER CAN SEE THE FOLLY OF AND THE
DECEPTIVE WAY THEY THINK AND CANNOT PUT SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE,
TO ASCERTAIN THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

WE START WITH LAHAYE AND HINDSON - Keith Hunt
………………………..

 


THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH is one of the most compelling and
exciting prophetic events in the Bible. It is clearly taught in 1
Thessalonians 4:15-18 (NKJV), where the apostle Paul provides us
with these details:

     This we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are
     alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no
     means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself
     will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an
     archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in
     Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain
     shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet
     the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the
     Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

This passage of Scripture delineates five stages to the rapture:

(Remember now "rapture" is here understood as "resurrection" -
which is true - Keith Hunt)

(1) The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout and
with the sound of a trumpet, (2) the dead in Christ will
rise first, (3) we who are alive and remain on the earth will be
"caught up" (Greek, "harpazo") together with them in the clouds,
(4) we will meet the Lord, and (5) we shall always be with Him.

(So far so good - the 5 points are indeed what 1 Thes.4:15-18
cover - Keith Hunt)

The apostle Paul also unveiled what he called a mystery
pertaining to the rapture. In 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, He
explained that some Christians would not sleep (die), but their
bodies would be instantly transformed.

     Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we
     shall all be changed-in a moment, in the twinkling of an
     eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and
     the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be
     changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and
     this mortal must put on immortality.

(Correct so far. The resurrection to eternal life takes place at
the LAST trumpet! Notice it, mark it "last trumpet." So there is
then more than one trumpet sound. The book of Revelation gives us
7 trumpets  - Keith Hunt)

This is what will happen when the rapture rakes place: Without
warning, the bodies of all believers who have died since the day
of Pentecost will suddenly be transformed into new, living,
immortal, resurrected bodies. Even those whose bodies have long
since decayed or whose ashes have been scattered out over the
oceans will receive a new body. This new body will be joined
together with the person's spirit, which Jesus will bring with
Him. Then the bodies of those who have likewise accepted Christ
as their Savior and are alive at that moment will also be
instantly translated into new immortal bodies. Together, all
believers will be instantaneously transported into the heavens to
meet the Lord. Those who are alive and have rejected the
salvation of Jesus Christ will remain behind on earth and will
witness a miraculous event of astonishing proportions - the
sudden mass disappearance of millions upon millions of people
from the face of the earth.

(Now we start into their truth and error. First, it is not only
those since Pentecost who will be in this resurrection. It will
be ALL true saints or children of God since Adam. Many verses in
the entire Bible prove EVERY child of God since Adam will be
resurrected at the last trumpet. The Bible nowhere speaks of some
OTHER resurrection at some OTHER time for those children in God,
before the NT Pentecost. You search the Scriptures and see if you
can find any such mention of another resurrection for saints from
Adam to Pentecost. I'll give you one thousand dollars if you can
find it. 
The idea that the unsaved will witness the disappearance of
MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS from the earth, is another deceptive
falsehood of the fundamental prophets. Their idea on this
contradicts the plain teachings of Jesus, who said His "flock"
would be the "little flock" (the Greek means "very little flock"
- it's a double diminutive in the Greek); He also said His
followers would be the "salt of the earth" - salt among the meal
is very little, sprinkled here and there. According to Jesus
in Matthew 24 it is the MANY who are deceived, in fact before
He comes again He said deception would be so great that IF it
possible even the elect would be deceived.

          You should have noticed this resurrection is NOT silent; there is much

          sound and sound going on. Read those verses again. They fall down

          Immediately in teaching it happens any second with no announcement.

 - Keith Hunt)

THE BLESSED HOPE

The rapture is often referred to as "the blessed hope" (Titus
2:13) because it provides assurance to believers who are
concerned about the coming Tribulation, and it offers comfort to
those who long to be reunited with their departed loved ones who
share a faith in Christ.

(Yes the resurrection is a "blessed hope" but now you try to find
where this blessed hope of the resurrection is tied in with the
coming "tribulation" - see if you can find "resurrection" and
"tribulation" put together as resurrection from "the tribulation"
is our hope. Just another slight of hand talk as if it is a fact
that resurrection offers hope for those concerned about the
coming tribulation. True the resurrection does offer comfort to
be with other dead true saints of God, but again a slight of hand
talk to sooth and dull your mind, as the truth is many of your
loved ones may not have been true Christians at all, and will not
be in this resurrection at the last trumpet sound. The slight of
hand is the idea that the majority of "Christians" are true
Christians, when in fact true Christians are the salt of the
earth, and not the millions as they want you to believe - Keith Hunt)

The more than 300 biblical references to the second coming of
Christ clearly show that His return has two distinct phases. The
contrasting elements cannot be merged into a single event (see
the article titled "Second Coming of Christ"). 

(Notice the DOGMATIC claim about the 300 references to the second
coming of Christ. They are very dogmatic that Jesus' return is in
TWO PHASES, and cannot be merged into a single event. Now these
two men are so "looked up to" in the fundamental Protestant
world that most of their readers will say, "It has to be so, for
these men are such giants of the Scriptures, such great leaders
in the Christian fundamental world, they must be correct." And so
tens or hundreds of thousands will accept their word as "gospel"
as we say. AND do not think for one moment these two guys (Lahaye
and Hindson) do not know this. They know their readers look to
them with "awe" and "are spell-bound" with what they say and
write. Those guys know their readers will accept what words come
from them, with no questioning. Hence right at the beginning they
have tranquilized their readers - they have them hooked as we say.

          There is not one verse in the Old Testament concerning the glorious coming

          of the Messiah to rule the world, where you can find any reference to a TWO PART

          COMING with years in-between.  It is just not there. You try to find it.

- Keith Hunt)


In the first phase, He will come suddenly to rapture His church
in the air and take all believers to His Father's house in
fulfilment of His promise in John 14:1-3. There, they will
appear before the judgment seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:8-10).

(Now they move on after tranquilizing their readers, with more
clever brain-washing, and throw in a few Scriptures. They tell
their readers Jesus will come and take His believers to heaven
and throw in John 14:1-3. Now turn to that passage, open up your
Bible. See if you can find the word "heaven" in those 3 verses.
Nope it ain't there! Heaven, going back to heaven, is not
mentioned at all. All that Jesus says is He will come and receive
His followers, and where He is in receiving them, "where I am" He
says "there you may be also." Put that with 1 Thes. 4:13-17 [that
Lahaye and Hindson have already given you] and the Bible
interprets the Bible - the saints of God meet, receive Christ in
the AIR, in the CLOUDS, and shall ever be with Him. But 1
Thes.4:13-17 does NOT tell you WHERE Christ will be after He has
received the saints in the clouds, in the air. You must let OTHER
verses of Scripture tell you that; letting the Bible interpret
itself. 
Now concerning 2 Cor.5:8-10. Again see if you can find the word
"heaven" or "Father's throne" or "in heaven" - nope it ain't
there! Now you can find "present with the Lord." So the question
you should be asking is "WHEN are we present with the Lord?" Even
Lahaye and Hindson have given you that answer, as they gave you 1
Thes. 4:13-18 and 1 Cor.15:50-53 - at the LAST trumpet sound,
when Jesus comes to receive the saints in the AIR, in the
CLOUDS. 
SO, again with slight of hand, knowing their readers will lap up
their words as "gospel" they take John 14:1-3 and 2 Cor.5:8-10
and TELL YOU it is all IN HEAVEN in the Father's house. I've show
you in other studies that the Father's house is the Kingdom of
God, which Jesus will bring with Him on His return, to set up the
Kingdom of God on earth for the first 1,000 years. There is
nothing in John 14:1-3 and 2 Cor.5:8-10 that says the saints GO
BACK TO HEAVEN WHERE THE FATHER IS, after Jesus has received the
saints in the CLOUDS, in the AIR of this earth. And to PROVE they
do not, you let the Bible interpret the Bible. So you go to
Zechariah 14 and there you CLEARLY see that in the day the
Messiah Jesus returns, His feet stand on the Mount of Olives, and
Jesus is Lord of all; the Kingdom of God has come to earth, as
mentioned in dozens of passages in the Bible. 
OH the simplicity of the Bible when you let the Bible interpret
itself - Keith Hunt)

While the believers are in heaven, those left behind on the earth
will experience the trials of the seven-year Tribulation period.

(And once more Lahaye and Hindson just tell you what will then
happen. They know they have their readers already under their
spell. They know their readers are mainly Bible illiterates,
people who never check up, never question, never search the
Scriptures. They know their readers have already been brain-
washed to accept millions [as they think] will escape the great
tribulation, which is for 7 years - another brain-washing
teaching that the fundamental prophets have seared into the minds
of their followers. Lahaye and Hindson already know the idea of
escaping via an invisible coming of Christ. The 7 year great
tribulation, has already been accepted by hundreds of thousands
of fundamental Christians, so they just tell the people what the
people want to hear, what they have been brian-washed into
accepting from these [and others] "great" and "awesome" teachers
of fundamental Christianity. So they know it's easy to just say
words, for they are speaking to "no-searchers of the Scriptures"
to people who will not prove all things and hold to that which is
good - Keith Hunt)

In the second phase of Jesus' second coming (the glorious
appearing), He will return to earth in great power and glory to
set up His millennial kingdom. 

(And so we go again. Lahaye and Hindson, just continue with what
they know the many they write to have accepted already, what many
of their "minister friends" have taught for decades, what has
been brain-washed into the minds of all their followers. They
continue with the SECOND PHASE of the coming of Christ. After
Jesus has gone back to heaven with the saints, for 7 years, He
will come in phase two, in "glorious appearing" to set up the
Kingdom of God on earth for the millennium or 1,000 years - Keith
Hunt)

The entire second coming has been compared to a two-act play (the
rapture and the glorious appearing) with a seven-year
intermission (the Tribulation). 

(Yep....indeed, so many fundamental prophets have taught this
"two-act play" - taught it for decades, dubbed it into their
hearers, their followers, branded it in their minds so deeply,
their sheep just do not question it. Their sheep are asleep, and
the fundamental prophets know it. They themselves are blinded, so
the blind follow the blind. The blind continue to teach this idea
of two phases of Christ's return with a 7 year tribulation
in-between, and the blind followers keep following the blind
teachers. So the blind teachers says words as if it is fact, and
their blind followers believe the words as it is fact. So the
circle is unbroken and continues - Keith Hunt)

The apostle Paul distinguishes between these two phases in Titus
2:13, where he refers to the rapture as the "blessed hope" and
the return of Christ to the earth as "the glorious appearing."

(Whattttt.... to put the phrase "blessed hope" and "glorious
appearing" - to interpret for you that this one verse is
teaching a "two phase" return of Christ, with one phase as a
"secret rapture" and another phase as a visible "glorious
appearing" with 7 years tribulation between the two phases, IS 
PUTTING INTO THIS VERSE THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOT THERE PERIOD. No
word "tribulation" is there. No word "phase" is there. No word
"two" is there. No word "seven" or "years" or "heaven" is there.
The hope and appearance can just as easily be Paul speaking about
the SAME event - it is "the hope" and it is "the glorious
appearing." The hope is the resurrection for the saints as 1 Cor.
15 shows. The glorious appearing is Jesus coming in glory.
Putting 1 Cor.15 with 1 Thes.4:13-18 - letting the Bible
interpret the Bible. Putting 1 Cor. 15 with 1 Thes.4:13-18 WITH
Zechariah 14, YOU HAVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER! Then add
Revelation 11:15-18 and add also Matthew 24:29-31 and you have
more of the truth of the matter. I mean a child can put those
verses together and add them up to ONE COMING of Christ [not a
two-phased coming] that is BOTH a great hope and a great
appearing. 
But again Lahaye and Hindson are writing to people who have been
brain-washed for decades, who have accepted a two-phased coming
of Christ, secret and glorious, with 7 years between them. Lahaye
and Hindson are writing to themselves [and other minister
friends] who are so brain-washed by this secret and open two-
phased return of Jesus that to them Titus 2:13 is speaking about
two phases with 7 years between the phases. They read into this
verse exactly what they want to read into it, so the circle is
unbroken - round and round it goes - Keith Hunt) 


WHAT DOES RAPTURE MEAN?

The English word rapture comes from the Latin word "raptus,"
which in Latin Bibles translates the Greek word "harpazo," used
14 times in the New Testament. The basic idea of the word is "to
suddenly remove or snatch away." It is used by the New Testament
writers in reference to stealing or plundering (Matthew 11:12;
12:29; 13:19; John 10:12,28-29) and removing (John 6:15; Acts
8:39; 23:10; Jude 23).
The New Testament employs a third use, which focuses on being
caught up to heaven. It describes Paul's "third heaven"
experience (2 Corinthians 12:2,4) and Christ's ascension to
heaven (Revelation 12:5). Obviously, "harpazo" is the perfect
word to describe God suddenly taking up the church from earth to
heaven at the first part of Christ's second coming.

(Now they start to add some technical stuff; oh this will really
sound good and "scholarly" to their readers; the readers will
really stand in "awe" now. The Greek word means what it means and
can be used in various contexts. No argument. I agree. And anyone
with any common sense that reads about the resurrection of the
saints, knows it will be sudden; in the twinkle of an eye Paul
says those living to see Jesus return will be changed from mortal
to immortality, at the LAST trump - 1 Cor.15. But Lahaye and Hindson 
go on to say, "Obviously 'harpazo' is the perfect word to describe God
SUDDENLY TAKING UP THE CHURCH FROM EARTH TO HEAVEN AT THE FIRST
PART OF CHRIST'S SECOND COMING."
Did you notice it? Did you get it? Along with the technical word 
[which I have no argument with] they do more word adding from
themselves: "taking up the church from earth to heaven at the
first part of Christ's coming." Go to a Bible lexicon, go to
Strong's Concordance, and see if when looking up this word
"harpazo" you can find "taking up the church from earth to heaven
at the first part of Christ's second coming." Give you 10,000
dollars if you can. Lahaye and Hindson have added their decades
long teaching of a "secret invisible" return with a "first part"
of Christ's second coming.
To the brain-washed follower of the fundamental prophets
teaching, all this sounds real good, for the guys have added some
"technical" stuff to their teaching..... wow stand in awe again!
Of course the resurrection will be sudden and unexpected by the
un-Christian world, and by the false Christians who will be at
the time following the false prophet of the book of Revelation -
Keith Hunt)

WILL THE RAPTURE BE PRETRIBULATIONAL?

The Church Is Not on Earth in Revelation 4-18
The common New Testament term for church (Greek, ekklesia) is
used 19 times in Revelation 1-3, which deals with the historical
church of the first century. However, Revelation uses church once
more - at the very end (22:16), where John returns to addressing
the first-century church. Most interesting is the fact that
nowhere during the Tribulation period is the term church used in
reference to believers on earth. 

(This technical argument I have proven to be totally false and
again a made up fancy of the fundamental prophets who want to
hold to a two-phased second coming of Christ, a secret rapture
and a glorious appearing, with 7 years between them. I've
answered this argument in other studies on the "Secret Rapture"
teaching on this website. I refer the reader to those other
studies - Keith Hunt)

John's shift from his detailed instructions for the church to his
absolute silence about the church for many chapters is remarkable
and totally unexpected if in fact the church continued into the
Tribulation. If the church were to experience the Tribulation
(the seventieth week of Daniel 9), then surely the most detailed
study of Tribulation events would include instructions for the
church. But it doesn't. The only explanation for this frequent
mention of the church in Revelation 1-3 and total absence of the
church on earth until Revelation 22:16 is a pretribulation
rapture, which will relocate the church from earth to heaven
prior to the Tribulation.

(Again I refer the reader to my other studies in which I prove
Lahaye and Hindson [with their other minister friends] to be in
total error on the point they now bring up. And in those other
studies I prove there will be NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE of the
saints to heaven while the earth goes under a 7 year great
tribulation period - Keith Hunt)


A POSTtribulational Rapture Is Inconsequential

If God miraculously preserves the church through the Tribulation,
why have a rapture? If it is to avoid the wrath of God at
Armageddon (at the end of the Tribulation), then why would God
not continue to protect the saints on earth (as is postulated by
posttribulationism) just as He protected Israel (see Exodus 8:22;
9:4,26; 10:23; 11:7) from His wrath poured out upon Pharaoh and
Egypt? Further, if the purpose of the rapture is for living
saints to avoid Armageddon, why also resurrect the saints (who
are already immune) at the same time?

(There is NO teaching in the Bible of some "rapture" of the
church to avoid "the day of the Lord" or some other mighty
events, before Jesus comes in power and visible glory. The
rapture or resurrection comes AFTER God has preserved some of His
saints during the tribulation and day of the Lord. The rapture or
resurrection comes at the LAST trumpet sound, at the time Jesus
comes ONCE only, visible and glorious, to resurrect the dead
saints and to change the living saints to immortality; to receive
them all in the clouds, in the air of this earth, and in that day
(Zech. 14) to set foot on the Mount of Olives, and to establish
the Kingdom of God on earth. See my many other studies on this
subject on this website, under "prophecy" - Keith Hunt)

If the rapture took place in connection with our Lord's
posttribulational glorious appearing, the subsequent separation
of the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-46)
would be redundant. Separation would have taken place in the very
act of translation.

(Lahaye and Hindson have a mind that reads right over words of
the Bible. So it is often with false prophets and false teachers
of the Bible. Open your Bible. Turn to Matthew 25. Start reading
from verse 31. Did you notice the last words? If not look again -
what does it say? It says, "THEN [after His coming in glory, with
the holy angels - see Matt. 24:30,31] SHALL HE SIT UPON THE
THRONE OF HIS GLORY!!!" His throne was promised in LUKE .
Now go to Luke 1:31-33. Jesus is to receive the THRONE OF DAVID
and a Kingdom that shall last forever - no end. Jesus has NOT YET
been given the throne of David. Jesus has not yet returned to
establish a Kingdom that will have no end. Neither of these
things did Jesus receive in His physical life on earth. When He
returns in GLORY, He will sit upon the throne of David. THEN -
THEN, the sheep will be divided from the goats - THEN - DURING
THE 1,000 YEAR AGE, when Jesus rules the nations of earth for
1,000 years will the sheep be divided from the goats.
OH the folly, and the stupid reading that some fundamental prophets
have in reading the Bible - Keith Hunt) 

If all Tribulation-era believers are raptured and glorified after
the Tribulation and just prior to the inauguration of the
millennial kingdom, who then will be left to populate and
propagate the kingdom? 

(This is another case where Lahaye and Hindson minds are all
mixed up and up-side-down and in-side-out. The people left after
the saints are resurrected and made immortal at the coming of
Christ in glory, after the great tribulation and day of the Lord,
will be the physical people of the earth, whom Jesus and the
saints will rule and bring salvation to. They will be the ones
where the dividing of the sheep from the goats will take place,
all during that 1,000 year age - Keith Hunt)

The Scriptures indicate that God will judge the living
unbelievers at the end of the Tribulation and remove them from
the earth (see Matthew 13:41-42; 25:41). 

(The context of the above verses given and many other passages of
the entire Bible, show that the dividing of sheep from goats,
takes place over 1,000 years, and then the goats or chaff are put
in the furnace of fire - the second death - see Revelation 20.
There is judgment on the nations of the earth at the coming of
Christ, but passage after passage in the books of the holy
prophets of the Bible, CLEARLY teach, NOT ALL SINNERS, not ALL
unbelievers will be removed from the earth at Christ's coming.
This is not just an "indication" this is absolute dogmatic truth
that all the prophetic books of the Bible teach - Keith Hunt)

Yet they also teach that children will be born to believers
during the millennium and that these children will be capable of
sin (see Isaiah 65:20; Revelation 20:7-10). This would not be
possible if all the believers on earth were glorified through a
posttribulational rapture.

(Again, Lahaye and Hindson have things mixed up, and little
understanding of Bible prophecy. At the return of Christ all past
and living saints will be in that first resurrection to
immortality. But physical people will STILL be on earth [as I
prove in many studies on my website] - they, most of them, in
time will be converted, they will become believers. They will still
be physical. They will marry and have children. Physical
believers will continue to reproduce and have children. And yes
sin can still be done, if a person chooses to sin. God will never
make humans into robots - free moral will, will still be in each
physical human during that 1,000 year age. All this is fully
expounded upon in my many studies on the age to come  - Keith
Hunt)

A posttribulational rapture and the church's supposed immediate
return to earth leaves no time for the "bema" - the judgment seat
of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-15; 2 Corinthians 5:10). For these
reasons, a posttribulational rapture makes no logical sense. A
pretribulational rapture, by contrast, does not leave us with
these insurmountable difficulties.

(There are no difficulties as Lahaye and Hindson would like you
to believe. The judgment seat of Christ is when the saints stand
before Christ on the sea of glass, when He returns, when the
resurrection takes place, after the great tribulation and day of
the Lord, after the 6 trumpets blow, and when the last and 7th
trumpet blows. Seven trumpets only are given in the book of
Revelation - the 7th is the resurrection to immortality for the
dead and living saints of God. They meet Christ in the air, in the
clouds, on the sea of glass. The judgment day for them has
arrived. They are before Christ and receive their rewards
according to their works. The "judgment seat of Christ" or
"Judgment Day" is also NOT understood by Lahaye and Hindson and
Catholicism and Protestantism. You need to study my study "The
Truth about Judgment Day" on my website - Keith Hunt)
 
The Tribulation Is Not Impending

All through the New Testament epistles, God gave many
instructions to the church, including warnings, but never once
are believers warned to prepare for entering and enduring the
Tribulation (Daniel's seventieth week).

(Whatttt.... I get blown-away by the silly ideas and the obvious
silly reading of the Bible by these fundamental prophets. They
just have to read Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; as a child [I
used to read those chapters over and over again as a child] but
child reading is far from them. I knew as a child that Jesus in
the Gospels, gave warnings to be prepared for persecutions to
come on Christians, then, today, and tomorrow. It is all over the
New Testament. We are to endure trials, persecutions; we are to
fight the good fight; we are to remain faithful to the end; we
are to put on the whole armor of God to withstand the wiles of
the Devil; we are to be willing to die for the truth; we are to
stand up and be counted; we are to remember as Jesus said, "They
who kill you will think they do God service." The truth about
Daniel's 70th week is also on my website in detail. It is NOT
what the fundamental prophets teach - Keith Hunt)

The New Testament warns vigorously about coming error and false
prophets (Acts 20:29-30; 2 Peter 2:1;1 John 4:1-3; Jude 4) and
against ungodly living (Ephesians 4:25-5:7; 1 Thessalonians
4:3-8; Hebrews 12:1). The New Testament even admonishes believers
to endure in the midst of present tribulation (i Thessalonians
2:13-14; 2 Thessalonians 1:4; and all of 1 Peter). However, the
New Testament is absolutely silent about the church preparing for
the Tribulation as described in Revelation 6-18.

(They think it is silent but it is not, for the NT it is just an
expected thing in life, life at the end time. Revelation 12 - the
story of the true Church of God. Like other ages in history,
there comes persecution, along with it comes death for some
Christians, and others are spared. It has been this way from the
beginning of human time. It is this way today. Some Christians in
some countries face death for being Christians, some do die, some
do not. Tomorrow will be the same - some will have to die for the
faith once delivered to the saints, some will be spared, they
will live on. So it has always been - see Hebrews 11. So it shall
be to the end of this age. Revelation 12 and the true Church of
God - some will die for the faith during the last years of this
age, some will escape to the wilderness and live on right to the
coming of Christ, those are the ones whom Paul says will be
changed in a twinkle of an eye at Jesus' coming, from mortal to
immortal - Keith Hunt)
 
The Scriptures would certainly not be silent about such a major
and traumatic period of time for the church. If the rapture were
to happen partway through or at the end of the Tribulation, one
would expect the epistles to teach the presence, purpose, and
conduct of the church during the Tribulation. However, we find
none of this teaching whatsoever. Only a pretribulation rapture
satisfactorily explains the lack of such instructions.


(Garbage to Lahaye and Hindson comments - the more I read these
fundamental prophets the angrier I get. Nothing could be further
from the truth. But people do not want the truth, they want nice
sweet words to comfort them, put them to sleep, and so the
fundamental prophets give them those word, and probably
themselves also, for most of them, do not want to think they have
to stiffen their back-bone, stand up to be counted, put their
life on the line, even have to die for the truth. So a nice
secret rapture to take you to heaven and restful bliss for 7
years, while the world falls apart, blows itself to bits, and all
kinds of horrible things go on in a tribulation that Jesus said
would be the greatest tribulation to ever come on earth in human
history. The Bible gives examples after examples, teaching after
teaching, both Old and New Testament, that persecutions and even
death have come upon God's people at times, sometimes more often,
sometimes not as often. In the end time, the last 42 months, 1260
days [book of Revelation] God's true Church will again experience
persecutions unto death for some, and escape into the wilderness
for others. All expounded for you in detail in many studies on
my website including the book of Revelation under "The New
Testament Bible Story"  - Keith Hunt)

The Content of 1 Thessalonians 4:73-78 Let us hypothetically
suppose for a moment that the rapture is not pretribulational.
What would we expect to find in 1 Thessalonians 4? How does this
compare with what we observe there?

We would expect the Thessalonians to be joyous over the fact that
loved ones are home with the Lord and will not have to endure the
horrors of the Tribulation. But we discover that the
Thessalonians are actually grieving because they fear their loved
ones have missed the rapture. Only the possibility of a
pretribulation rapture accounts for this grief.

(Paul in 1 Thes. 4:13-18 is answering the sorrow and IGNORANCE
that some had in their mind, about those who had fallen asleep in
death. Many of his readers did not know the truths of God on this
matter. They were thinking and acting like the world - no hope in
death. Paul is having to help them, correct them, give them true
instruction about death. Obviously many did not know the answer
to death. There was no fear that their loved ones have missed the
rapture. They were IGNORANT about the "death question" - they did
not know, had to be instructed, in the death question. The world,
as many today say, there is nothing after death, no hope of some
life after death, so live to the fullest now, wine, women, and
song. 
This passage of Paul has nothing to do with some "secret rapture"
or any "rapture" per se. It has to do with Paul having to
instruct some who did not know about death and the plan of God.
He had to tell them there was hope, it was not like the world
viewed death, BECAUSE God would have a RESURRECTION BACK TO LIFE
FOR ALL SAINTS, DEAD OR ALIVE, AND IT WOULD BE WITH A TRUMP, AND
AT CHRIST'S COMING; THE SAINTS DEAD OR ALIVE WOULD MEET
CHRIST IN THE AIR, THE CLOUDS, AND BE WITH HIM FOREVER - Keith
Hunt)

We would also expect the Thessalonians to be grieving over their
own impending trial rather than over loved ones. Furthermore, we
would expect them to be inquisitive about their own future doom.
But the Thessalonians have no fears or questions about the coming
Tribulation.

(Well that is simple to answer. They had no fear or questions
about any coming tribulation, for they knew as Christians,
tribulation may very well come. I mean Paul was a great example
for them. They would see what Paul at times had to go through in
persecution and tribulation. They had known Stephen had been
killed for speaking the truth. They had known James and probably
others as we see in the book of Acts, were persecuted and even
killed. Going through tribulation was not a question with them,
of course not. For such was to be expected at times. Tribulation
for the faith of Christ was all around them, some persecuted even
unto death, others not. They had the apostle John, who seemed to
be free from any large tribulation, and as the century went on,
John lived to a ripe old age, while others like Paul and Peter
were killed for the faith. They had the words of Christ, that
persecution could come on you if you followed Him. Even Jesus
saying some who would kill you would think they were doing God a
service. They had no fear or questions about coming tribulations
because they did know the answer to that question - it could
come, and they could die for the faith, while others would live
on - Keith Hunt)
 
Finally, we would expect Paul, even in the absence of interest or
questions by the Thessalonians, to provide instructions and
exhortation for such a supreme test, which would make their
present tribulation seem microscopic in comparison. But we find
not even one indication of any impending tribulation of this
kind. Given the scenario in 1 Thessalonians 4, only the
possibility of a pretribulation rapture makes sense.

(Nope wrong again for Lahaye and Hindson. They knew the answer to
tribulation, small or great. It could come, small or great, short
or long. They had examples in the Old Testament of God's saints
under persecution, even to death - Hebrews 11. They had Paul's example 
of many persecutions, perils, stonings, beatings, and some saints who had
already been put to death for Christ. They very well knew the answer 
to tribulations. No need to ask Paul about it, or to be ignorant about 
that issue - Keith Hunt)


John 14.1-3 Parallels 1 Thessalonians 4.73-78 

John 14:1-3 refers to Christ's coming again. It is not a promise
to all believers that they will go to Him at death. Rather, it
refers to the rapture of the church. Note the close parallels
between the promises of John 14:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
First, consider the promises of a presence with Christ: "... that
where I am, there you may be also" (John 14:3), and "Thus we
shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Second,
note the promises of comfort: "Let not your heart be troubled"
(John 14:1), and "Therefore comfort one another with these words"
(I Thessalonians 4:18).

(Okay all good so far in the phrases picked out - Keith Hunt)

Jesus instructed the disciples that He was going to His Father's
house (heaven) to prepare a place for them. He promised them that
He would return and receive them so that they could be with Him
wherever He was.
The phrase "wherever I am," while implying a continued presence
in general, here means presence in heaven in particular. 

(Now Lahaye and Hindson start to go off track - "where I am" they
say "here means presence in heaven in particular." Now you try to
find the word "heaven" in this passage under discussion. Nope it
ain't there. It is someone reading into it what they want you to
read into it. They want to get this teaching of their's into your
mind, so they put words in the passage that are not there. They
pretty well know, most, the majority, of their readers look to
them for understanding the Bible [as most readers do little if
any Bible research for themselves]. They know most of their readers
stand in "awe" of them, so it is easy for them to "lead you down
the garden path." They tell you John is writing here that Jesus
meant you are going to heaven, even if Jesus did not say that at
all; they want you to believe it is most definitely implied -
Keith Hunt)

Our Lord told the Pharisees in John 7:34, "Where I am you cannot
come." He was not talking about His present abode on earth, but
rather, His resurrected presence at the right hand of the Father.
In John 14:3, "where I am" must mean "in heaven," or 14:1-3 would
be meaningless.

(The first one is correct as they put it. But now they want you
to hook John 14:1-3 with the first one they mention. But the
Bible has a context to all verses. And the Bible must interpret
itself. If Jesus had and wanted His followers to clearly know
that they would one day "get to heaven to be with him" it would
have been very easy for Jesus to have said, "Where I am in
heaven" or "Where I am you also will be with me in heaven."
Jesus said no such words. Now the fundamental people and just
about all Christianity teach that SOMEDAY you will "get to
heaven" - they may vary on the WHEN, but they all teach, one day
Christians will get to heaven, even the seventh Day Adventists 
teach it. So again reading into this verse that this is what Jesus 
was teaching, makes sense to them, for they all believe one day 
Christians will be with Christ in heaven.
Stop and think now, what if the religious Jews of Jesus' day did
not think about heaven as you going there, at death [if your a
good Jew or Christian] or think about it in the way Christians
today think about it .... just got to be there. What if many or
most of the religious Jews believed death was death, and only a
resurrection by God could bring you back to life. And what if
those Jews [and Christians] knew the Messiah would come and set
up a Kingdom over the nations of the earth, live on earth, rule
from Jerusalem. And what if with that idea in mind they knew the
resurrection would take place at the Messiah's coming, and so
they would be with Him on earth, via a resurrection from death. 
Now if all that was so with the religious Jews and Christians of
the first century, then the words of Jesus saying He would go and
prepare a place for them, come again, receive them, and wherever
He was they would be also, would be taken quite differently.
Well I submit to you, those words by Jesus would NOT be taken as 
Christians today want to take them.
And we also then must let the Bible interpret the Bible. Jesus
certainly taught He would come again, and His followers when He
came would be with Him. So when Jesus comes again, when His
people are with Him, where does He go? The answer is found in
Zechariah 14. Notice the words "in that day" and "mount of
Olives." And note verse 7 and Jesus saying in the Gospels that
only the Father new the day of Christ's return. 
It should all start to jell with you by now, if you have your
Bible open and ARE seeing the words for yourself - Keith Hunt)

A posttribulation rapture would require that the saints meet
Christ in the air and immediately descend to earth without
experiencing what our Lord promised in John 14. Because John 14
refers to the rapture, only a pretribulation rapture satisfies
the language of John 14:1-3 and allows raptured saints to dwell
for a meaningful period of time with Christ in His Father's
house.

(I have answered John 14:1-3 in another study on my website,
but I'm also answering it here. John 14:1-3 has nothing to do
about "going to heaven" - the word "heaven" is not there. As
shocking as it may sound, the Bible nowhere promises that
Christians will "get to heaven" or "be with Christ in heaven" or
"sit in heaven with the Father" - that is the heaven where the
Father and Jesus now live. The fundamental prophets do teach that
Jesus will rule the earth and the nations upon it for 1,000
years. They, or most of them now, from what I read in their
literature, do teach the new heaven and new earth, and God the
Father coming to the new earth. But ... but, and this seems
desperately important to them, somehow Christians have to get to
heaven. If it's not at death [many of them now know the immortal
soul idea has much difficulties] then they say, "when can we get
this going to heaven in?" Ah, they will as Lahaye and Hindson
have done "get going to heaven" in with a pre-tribulation, secret
rapture teaching. At least they say you can get to heaven for 7
years - Keith Hunt)


The Rapture and the Return

A comparison of the rapture (1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1
Thessalonians 4:13-IS) with the glorious appearing (Matthew
24-25) reveals at least eight significant contrasts or
differences. These differences demand that the rapture occur at a
significantly different time from Christ's glorious appearing:

(Oh it does? Well we shall see, we'll look at what they say -
Keith Hunt)

1. At the rapture, Christ comes in the air and returns to heaven
(1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the glorious appearing, Christ comes
to the earth to dwell and reign (Matthew 25:31-32).

(Nope 1 Thes.4:17 does not say Christ returns to heaven. You have
to read that into the passage. It says we meet Him in the air,
the clouds, and we stay with Him. Where He goes from there you
have to let other verses tell you - again Zech.14. The glorious
coming, which is NOT a separate phase of two phases of His
coming, Jesus does indeed return to earth - Zech.14 again - Keith
Hunt)

2. At the rapture, Christ gathers His own (1 Thessalonians
4:16-17). At the glorious appearing, angels gather the elect
(Matthew 24:31).

(Bible semantics. One verse tells you it is Christ gathering,
another verse tells you HOW Christ will gather. By the authority
of Christ, the angels go forth to gather, in so doing it is also
Christ that gathers. The Bible is full of such talk, one verse
putting it this way, and another verse making to plain or in more
detail, as to how the other verse is carried out - Keith Hunt)

3. At the rapture, Christ comes to reward (I Thessalonians 4:17).
At the glorious appearing, Christ comes to judge (Matthew
25:31-46).

(Again, grasping at straws. Many events take place at the coming
in glory of Christ the Messiah. Breaking it up can be easy to do
IF you have a reason for doing it, and the fundamental prophets
with their secret rapture, 7 years in heaven for the saints, have
one huge reason to break things up and put them in an order the
Bible does not put them. Many things take place when the Messiah
comes. If you read my expounding of all the prophetic books of
the Bible on my website, you will come to see MANY things take
place at the return of Christ. Pouring out the seven last
plagues, hailstones, battle of Armageddon, resurrection of the
saints, rewards handed out, judgment on the Beast power, judgment
on the beast man and the false prophet and etc. to name a few -
Keith Hunt)

4. The rapture, resurrection is prominent (1 Thessalonians
4:15-16). At the glorious appearing, resurrection is not
mentioned.

(God does not have to mention the same things in the same
context, but in different passages. He is not obliged to follow
the arguments of Lahaye and Hindson on this point. God is God. He
sets the rules by which He desires to write. What is mentioned in
one passage about the same event, does not have to be exactly the
same things mentioned in another passage about the same event.
This kind of argument makes people say, "Well you can prove
anything by the Bible" and so the skeptic walks on thumbing their
nose at God and the Bible and people who prove anything from the
Bible - Keith Hunt)

5. At the rapture, believers depart the earth (1 Thessalonians
4:15-17). At the glorious appearing, unbelievers are taken away
from the earth (Matthew 24:37-41).

(Of course at the resurrection saints are raised from the dead,
living saints are changed, all leave the earth to meet Christ in
the air, in the clouds. Matthew 24:37-41 is completely
misunderstood by Lahaye and Hindson. I have expounded this
passage fully in other studies on my website, under prophecy.
Briefly: the context is the day of Christ's return verse 36. The
world will not expect it, just as they were not expecting the
flood of Noah's day. It is the day of Christ's return. Saints
will be on this earth, as I've proved in other studies. They will
be here and there. Some will be converted during the great
tribulation and day of the Lord; the book of Revelation says 144,000
from the tribes of Israel - Rev.7. Some will be around the un-
converted. The converted saints will, on the day of Christ's
coming, literally yes, disappear from view. Of course they will
because they will be in the resurrection and taken by the angels
to be with Christ in the air, in the clouds, upon the sea of
glass - Keith Hunt)
 
6. At the rapture, unbelievers remain on earth. At the glorious
appearing, believers remain on earth (Matthew 25:34).

(At the ONE event of Jesus' return, yes un-believers will be on
earth. Jesus is coming back to rule the physical nations of the
earth. At the same ONE event believers will be on earth, as many
in that day when they see Jesus return will believe, many will
know Christ does exist; many will come to repentance on that day.
And from then on the sheep and goats will be divided. All
expounded in-depth as I go through each prophetic book of the
Bible on my website - Keith Hunt)

7. Christ's kingdom on earth is not mentioned at the rapture. At
the glorious appearing, Christ has come to set up His kingdom on
earth (Matthew 25:31,34).

(Again, the same silly argument of Lahaye and Hindson. God does
not have to write the same thing the same way, mentioning the
same things, when writing about the same event. One aspect of the
same event can be mentioned in one passage, and another aspect of
the same event mentioned in another passage. My oh my, what a
silly argument - Keith Hunt)

8. At the rapture, believers will receive glorified bodies (1
Corinthians 15:51-57). At the glorious appearing, survivors will
not receive glorified bodies.

(Of course this is so. Very simple. At the resurrection saints
will be glorified, made immortal, raised from death to
immortality, or changed from flesh and blood to immortality. 
Those who survive the last years of this age, who are not chosen
to be saints and to be made immortal at Christ's coming, like about
10 percent of the people of the tribes of Israel, will go on into
the 1,000 years as physical people. Jesus and the saints will
rule over physical people in literal nations of the earth. Again
all expounded for you in detail as I reveal to you what all the
prophetic books of the Bible teach - Keith Hunt)


The Promise of Deliverance

In Revelation 3:10, Jesus promised, "I will keep you from [Greek,
ek, "out of"] the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole
world." This passage makes it clear that Christ's intention is to
keep the church out of the Tribulation period.

(Nope. The passage it to a "church group" only, see the context
of other church groups in Revelation 2 and 3. Revelation 12 gives
you the "rest of the story" as the late Paul Harvey wouls say on his 
radio program. It will be as it has always been in all
history - some of God's children will escape persecution and
tribulation and death, in the wilderness, and other children of
God will have to stand up and be counted, be a witness for the
truth, and even have to die for the truth of God. So it has
always been, so it will be again at the end time - Keith hunt)

The Greek preposition "ek" admittedly has the basic idea of
emergence. But this is not always so. Two notable examples are 2
Corinthians 1:10 and 1 Thessalonians 1:10. In the Corinthian
passage, Paul rehearses his rescue from death by God. Paul did
not emerge from death but rather was rescued from the potential
danger of death.
Even more convincing is 1 Thessalonians 1:10. Here, Paul states
that Jesus is rescuing believers out of the wrath to come. The
idea is not emergence out of, but rather protection from entrance
into divine wrath.

(Even so, using the Greek, does not change the fact that
Revelation 3:10 is about ONE GROUP of people to be spared from
persecution and death of the Great Tribulation, just as
Revelation 12 pictures and tells us - Keith Hunt)

If Revelation 3:10 means immunity or protection within as other
positions insist, then several contradictions result. First, if
protection in Revelation 3:10 is limited to protection from God's
wrath only and not Satan's, then Revelation 3:10 denies our
Lord's request in John 17:15.


(Revelation 3:10 is protection from Satan's wrath as well as
protection all the way through the last 42 months of this age -
the great tribulation and the day of the Lord - Keith Hunt)

Second, if Revelation 3:10 means total immunity, then of what
worth is the promise in light of Revelation 6:9-11 and 7:14,
where martyrs abound? The wholesale martyrdom of saints during
the Tribulation demands that the promise to the Philadelphia
church be interpreted as "keeping out of" the hour of testing,
not "keeping within."

(Keeping out of the hour of testing, is keeping out of, and not
within. For Revelation 12 tells you HOW the keeping out of is to
be done - fleeing to the wilderness, by the parting of the true people
of God, NOT by some "secret rapture" that takes you to heaven. 
Oh the lack of reading all the Bible, even all the passages on
any given subject, even all of a book. Such sloppy reading of the
Bible, gives sloppy theology that deceives millions - Keith Hunt)


The church is to be delivered from the wrath to come. The apostle
Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 that we should "wait for
His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who
delivers us from the wrath to come." 

The context of this passage points to the rapture. The church
must be removed from the earth before the Tribulation begins in
order to be delivered from the wrath to come.

(Again, total garbage. The context is no such thing as Lahaye and
Hindson say. Look at it yourselves. Open your Bible. See it for
yourselves. Note verse 3 - work of faith, labor of love. Note
verse 6 - followers of us, and of the LORD. Note verse 8 - from
you sound out the word of the Lord .... in every place your faith
to God-ward is spread abroad. Go into chapter 2. It is all to do
with serving the Lord, in truth and life, and NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE RAPTURE OR RESURRECTION. 
LIVING IN THE LORD MEANS WE WILL NOT COME INTO THE WRATH OF THE
LORD VIA CONDEMNATION AND THE SECOND DEATH!! 

           The WRATH of the Lord is the wrath of the second death— burning in the lake of fire/

           The wrath that destroyes you. It has nothing per se to do with the wrath of the Devil

           by a great end time tribulation. For it is Satan who brings this wrath on  the earth as Revelation

           tells us— Revel. 12: 12, 17. The day of the Lord is God's wrath— Rev. 6: 17 on earth. But 

           God's ultimate and final and all consuming wrath is the second death in the lake of fire— Rev. 20

           that shall destroy all unrepentant sinners, burn up this earth, and make way for the new heavens

           and the new earth— Rev. 21.

Keith Hunt)
 

The church is not appointed to wrath. According to 1
Thessalonians 5:9, "God did not appoint us to wrath, but to
obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." Once again, the
context of this passage shows it is referring to the rapture.

(The context is NOT referring to the rapture or resurrection per
se.
If you want to get real technical the context starts with "the
DAY OF THE LORD" verse 2. The day of the Lord is NOT the great
tribulation, but Lahaye and Hindson have no clue about
understanding Bible prophecy. So the day of the Lord is the last
day (day for a year in prophecy) - last year of this age. And so
Christians living at that time, by being in the light, watching
soberly, not as those in the night, spiritual darkness, but
putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet,
the hope of salvation - looking at the verses following. For we 
need to do this because God does not want us to face wrath, but 
salvation. In so doing we can live together with Him. Yes finally 
a resurrection to eternal life with Christ.  
And no wrath of no salvation but death in the lake of fire— Rev. 20. 
Two things: So living we escape the day of the Lord that it does
not come on us as those in darkness, for it will bring sudden
destruction. This applies to those who are alive at the time of
the day of the Lord. Second, and more important, living in the
Lord, means we find salvation and not His wrath in condemnation
and the second death— Rev. 20 - Keith Hunt) 


Because the Tribulation specifically involves God's wrath, and
because Christians are not appointed to His wrath, the church
must be raptured out of the way before the Tribulation begins.

(No the Scriptures say the Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath on
the earth, especially he will go after the true Church of God. See
Revelation 12. Some will escape his wrath, and find safety in the 
wilderness, not in a rapture. 
Others of the true church will have to stand up and be 
counted, they will have to be witnesses for the truth, and even die 
for the faith once delivered to the saints - Revelation 12 - Keith
Hunt)

If the church is raptured at the end of the Tribulation, no one
will be left to populate the millennium. 

(What absolute crazy Bible reading these two guys have between
them. I'm just about lost for words at their total ignorance of
the prophetic books of the Bible. The resurrection of the saints
of God, yes after the great tribulation and the day of the Lord,
means only that true saints are made immortal; the rest of the
physical people on earth, left alive after the battle of
Armageddon, the 10 percent of physical Israelites, they go on
into the millennium, the 1,000 year age, as physical people, and
continue to populate the earth. The Old Testament prophets so teach. 
 - Keith Hunt)

Just prior to the beginning of the millennium, all sinners (those
who reject Jesus Christ as Savior) who survive the Tribulation
will be cast into hell according to Matthew 25:46. 

(Again a full misunderstanding of Matthew 25:46 - this parable is
AFTER Jesus has returned, when sitting on the throne of David.
The goats are not thrown into the lake of fire, the second death,
until the end of the 1,000 year age. All explained in detail in
many other studies on prophecy on my website - Keith Hunt)

Should the rapture occur at the end of the Tribulation, all
Christians would be taken from the earth as well, leaving no one
on earth with a natural body to repopulate the planet during the
millennium. 

(Gross error! Not all who will believe in that day, the day of
Christ's return, when thousands will see Him come in the clouds
of heaven, will be in the first resurrection. They may well
believe Jesus has come again, as like about 10 percent of
Israelites, but that will not qualify them to be in the first
resurrection. Hence tens of thousands will still remain as
physical humans. And not only that but thousands of un-believers
will survive and we have the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39
coming to pass. There is so much on this, you will need to study
my expounding of all the prophetic books of the Bible, to
understand it all in detail - Keith Hunt)
 
The "righteous" (the "sheep") who enter the millennium are the
saints who survive the Tribulation - those who were unsaved at
the time of the rapture but became believers during the
Tribulation. 

(Garbage theology here also. The sheep of Matthew 25 are those
who accept Christ AFTER His return, when He sits on the throne of
David to judge the nations, to start to divide the sheep from the
goats - they are physical human beings.  
Of course the saints will  be immortal at Jesus' return and will so be

          the Kingdom of God over the physical mortal nations of earth. 

 - Keith Hunt)
 
Many of these saints will be martyred during this time, but those
who survive the Tribulation will repopulate the earth during the
millennium. For this to occur, the rapture must take place prior
to the Tribulation instead of at the end.

(All silly nonsense. Those saints who live during the great
tribulation and day of the Lord, will have qualified to be in the
first resurrection. As Jesus gave in one parable, some toil all
day [many years of their life - decades maybe] and some toil at the
11th hour - for a relatively short while, 42 months at the end of
this age, or a little less if called during the great tribulation, 
is a short time, an 11th hour. But Jesus went on to say, they all
received the penny wage as did those who toiled for a
long time - they all get salvation.

           Not one verse in the New Testament teaches the saints at the end time

           go to heaven by Jesus coming in secret any second, in silence, unknown

           to the world and to Christians, just happening in total shock to Christians

           and the world of the unconvered.

           How some Christians are protected and how some must suffer persecution

           from Satan is explained in Revelation 12. It is NOT talking about Jews

           for Jews do NOT have keep the commandments of God and do not have the

           testimony of Jesus Christ, they reject Him. This chapter is about the TRUE 

           CHURCH OF GOD at the end time. 

 - Keith Hunt
 

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

1. Since the phrase "to meet the Lord" in 1 Thessalonians 4.17
can refer to a friendly city going out to meet the visiting king
and escorting him back to the city, does not this phrase point
decidedly to a posttribulational rapture?

First, this Greek term can refer to either meeting within a city
(Mark 14:13; Luke 17:12) or going out of the city to meet and
return back (Matthew 25:6; Acts 28:15). So the use of this
particular phrase is not at all decisive. Second, remember that
at the glorious appearing, Christ is coming to a hostile people
in general who will eventually fight against Him at Armageddon.
The pretribulational rapture best pictures the king rescuing, by
a rapture, His faithful followers who are trapped in a hostile
world and who will later accompany Him when He returns to earth
to conquer His enemies and set up His kingdom (Revelation
19:11-16).

(The truth is not ascertained by saying this fits a better
scenario than this other. 1 Thes. 4 and the context of verse 17
is to be put with 1 Cor.15 and many other verses, which I've already
done here and in many other studies on the subject - Keith Hunt)

2. Why does Paul write in 1 Thessalonians 5:6 for believers to be
alert to "the day of the Lord" if they're not going to face it
due to being raptured before the Tribulation?

Paul exhorts believers in 1 Thessalonians 5:6 to be alert and
living godly in a "day of the Lord" context just as Peter does in
2 Peter 3:14-15, where the "day of the Lord" experience is
clearly at the end of the millennium (because the old heavens and
earth will be destroyed and replaced with the new). In such
passages are exhortations for true believers to live godly lives
in the light of God's future judgment on unbelievers.

(Well for once the guys have a truth. Some verses are for people
down the passage of time, and for a generality for all Christians
for all ages, and so they do not come into the condemnation of the
wrath of God when the second death in the lake of fire takes
place - Keith Hunt)

3. Does not Matthew 24:37-42, where people are taken out of the
world, teach a posttribulational rapture?

In fact, Matthew 24:37-42 teaches just the opposite. First, it
teaches that Noah and his family were left alive while the whole
world was taken away in death and judgment. This is exactly the
sequence to be expected at Christ's glorious appearing as taught
in the parable of the wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-43), the
parable of the dragnet (Matthew 13:47-50), and the "sheep and
goats" judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46). In every one
of these instances, at the glorious appearing, unbelievers are
taken away in judgment, and the righteous believers remain.

(Noah and his example is given by Jesus not to teach the wicked
with remain while believers disappear. It is given in the
context, yes context again, of "unexpected" - "unknown" - see
verse 36. Life was going on quite normal in the days of Noah,
Jesus gives examples of normal life of that time. It was so, right 
up to the time of the flood, that came UNEXPECTED. The whole section 
is to do with not knowing the day of Christ's return, only the Father,
and to watch the signs Jesus has given in the whole chapter, so
that day does not come UNEXPECTEDLY on Christians. For when it
does come the resurrection will take place and true Christians
will disappear to be with the Lord, verses 40-42. The Lord does
not come until AFTER the great tribulation and the day of the
Lord - Keith Hunt)
 

4. Does not a pretribulation rapture result in two second comings
of Christ, whereas Scripture teaches there is only one second
coming?

Not at all. Regardless of the rapture position one holds,
Christ's second coming is one event that occurs in two parts -
Christ coming in the air to rapture the church and Christ coming
to earth to conquer the world and set up His kingdom.

(Have you ever heard of such SILLY AND FROM PLANET PLUTO
reasonings? They tell us Christ's second coming is ONE EVENT,
then go on to say the one event has TWO PARTS. Now when you
understand as shown by them, that the two parts have 7 years
between them .... I mean, give me a break, one event with a
secret and visible two parts with 7 years in-between. This has
got to be one of the stupidest human reasonings in Christian
theology - Keith Hunt)

5. If pretribulationism is true, why doesn't Revelation 4-19
mention the church in heaven?

It is true that the Greek word for church (ekklesia) is not used
of the church in heaven in Revelation 4-19. However, that does
not mean the church is invisible. The church appears in heaven at
least twice. First, the 24 elders in Revelation 4-5 symbolize the
church. 

(Come on now, wow, what more silly reasoning - the 24 elders
symbolize the church. Give me another break! There is nothing in
the entire Bible to acquaint the 24 elders in heaven as
symbolizing the Church of God being in heaven - grasping at straws 
they are - Keith Hunt)

Second, the phrase "you saints and apostles and prophets" in
Revelation 18:20 clearly refers to the church in heaven. 

(Once more, this is getting so silly they should go on Canada's
TV show called "Just for Laughs." Jesus is writing (He's the
author of Revelation, see the beginning of chapter one) that yes the
heaven needs to rejoice over the obliteration of Babylon, but
also the apostles and prophets... It does NOT say the apostles
and prophets are in heaven. Again that has to be read into it, and if
you believe in the immortality of the soul and the secret rapture
idea, then you will read into this verse what these two guys have
done, to hold your teaching of a secret rapture with saints in
heaven for 7 years before Jesus returns visibly - Keith Hunt)

Also, Revelation 19 pictures the church (the bride of Christ) in
heaven prior to her triumphal return. Which rapture scenario best
accounts for the church being in heaven in these texts at this
time? A pretribulation rapture.

(The chapter does begin with a scene in heaven. But when we get
to the "Lord God omnipotent reigns" verse 6, we have come to the
Lord reigning, simple as that, right, yes pretty simple. The Lord
now reigns. When does the Lord reign? When He returns to earth.
His wife has made herself ready - white garments she has, that are the
righteousness of the saints, verses 7,8, and see Ps.119:172. When do 
the saints get to be with Christ? We have seen at the LAST trumpet sound. 
The resurrection takes place. They rise to meet Jesus in the air, in
the clouds - 1 Thes.4:13-17. The bride and the Groom are together; 
the marriage of the Lamb to the bride, the saints, takes place. 
Where? When they come together, as most human marriages do the same. 
They come together in the clouds of the air of this planet. This is NOT 
in heaven but in the atmosphere of this earth. Simple when you put 
Scripture with Scripture - Keith Hunt)

6. Why is Revelation addressed to the church if the church will
not experience the Tribulation period due to the rapture?

These texts cannot be used to determine the time of the rapture.
One of the chief characteristics of the rapture is that it will
be sudden, unexpected, and surprising. "No man knows the day or
the hour," so we should live so as to "be ready, for the Son of
Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" (Matthew 24:44). Only
a pretribulation rapture preserves an imminent ("at any moment")
return of Christ.  
(While no man knows the day not the hour of Jesus' return, only
the Father. Jesus in the Gospels and in the book of Revelation,
gives us signs upon signs as to what to watch for, leading up to the
day of His return. The idea of an "imminent" - "any moment"
return of Christ, is absolutely against all the signs and waymarks
Jesus Himself has given us. The idea that Jesus can return at any
second, is totally false, and not taught anywhere in the Bible.
Only those teaching a secret rapture can hold this "any second"
return for Jesus. The Bible holds no such view.
I very dogmatically will tell you that Jesus CANNOT return until
certain prophecies have taken place - certain signs He gave MUST
COME TO PASS before He can return - Keith Hunt)

Throughout the ages, Christians have understood the rapture to be
imminent. Nothing could be a better motivator to holy living than
knowing that Jesus could come at any moment.

(If it takes the idea that Christ can come at any minute or
second, to make you live a holy life, to serve the Lord, to love
the Lord with all your heart, life and mind, then YOUR CHRISTIAN
RELIGION I MUST QUESTION.

          All through history the pattern has remained true. Christians encounter 

           PERSECUTION at times. And the outcome has remained true— SOME 

           ESCAPE the persecution  and could be death; OTHERS do not and 

           suffer perecution and even DEATH! 

           SO IT SHALL BE AT THE VERY END TIME, THE TIME OF THE 

           BOOK OF REVELATION!

 - Keith Hunt)

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Feast of Trumpets - 2012