Saturday, March 13, 2021

EASTER/PASSOVER DEDBATE IN BRITAIN---664 A.D.

 Easter/Passover Debate - 

Whitby 664 AD


The British Church did not observe Rome's Easter


    From the book "A History of the

     English Church and People"


 by


 Bede



FOREWORD and added comments by Keith Hunt



The book by Bede is still in print and available through your

Bible Book Store. The "Introduction" by Leo Sherley-Price 

is most revealing, as it admits that the practices of the British 

Church were in many ways far different from that of Rome, 

yet in time the Church of Rome dominated and all the "closer 

to the truth practices" of the British church were finally 

extinguished in those Isles we call Britain. A turning point in 

favor of the Roman Church was the Synod of Whitby in 664 AD.


Bede recorded in his "History" the interesting debate that took

place. Here it is with my added comments throughout.




THE SYNOD OF WHITBY - 664 AD



King Oswy opened by observing that all who served the ONE God

should observe one rule of life, and since they all hoped for one

kingdom in heaven, they should not differ in celebrating the

sacraments of heaven. The synod now had the task of determining

which was the truer tradition, and this should be loyally

accepted by all. He then directed his own bishop Colman to speak

first, and to explain his own rite and its origin. Colman said:


     "Thee Easter customs which I observe were taught me by my

     superiors, who sent me here as a bishop; and all our

     forefathers, men beloved of God, are known to have observed

     these customs.  And lest anyone condemn or reject them as

     wrong, it is recorded that they owe their origin to the

     blessed evangelist Saint John, the disciple specially loved

     by our Lord, and all the churches

     over which he presided." 


(This is indeed what church history of the SECOND century also

tells us, in that Polycarp stated to the bishop of Rome, in

their debate over the time to observe our Lord's death, that he

was taught by John the apostle, who always observed it on the

14th of the first month in the Jewish calendar - Keith Hunt)


When he had concluded these and similar arguments, the king

directed Agilbert to explain the origin and authority of his own

customs.

Agilbert replied: 


     "May I request that my disciple the priest Wilfrid be

     allowed to speak in my place? For we are both in full

     agreement with all those here present who support the

     traditions of our Church, and he can explain our view 

     in the English language more competently and clearly 

     han I can do through an interpreter."


When Wilfrid had received the king's command to speak, he said:  


     "Our Easter customs are those that we have seen universally 

     served in Rome where the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul lived, 

     taught, suffered, and are buried. We have also seen the same customs 

     generally observed throughout Italy and Gaul when we travelled 

     through these countries for study and prayer. Furthermore, we have 

     learnt that Easter is observed by men of different nations and

     languages at one and the same time, in Africa, Asia, Egypt,

     Greece, and throughout the world wherever the Church of

     Christ has spread. The only people who stupidly contend

     against the whole world are these Scots and their partners

     in obstinacy the Picts and Britons, who inhabit a portion of

     these the two uttermost islands of the ocean."


(Of course Wilfrid was very correct here in stating that Easter

was observed in all parts of the world, where the Christian

Gospel had gone, for Easter was of great antiquity in the pagan

nations. A full study of Easter celebrations can be found on

my Website - Keith Hunt)


In reply to this statement, Colman answered: 


     "It is strange that you call us stupid when we uphold

     customs that rest on the authority of so great an Apostle,

     who was considered worthy to lean on our Lord's breast, and

     whose great wisdom is acknowledged throughout the world."


Wilfrid replied: 


     Far be it from us to charge John with stupidity, because he

     literally observed the Law of Moses at a time when the

     Church followed many Jewish practices, and the Apostles were

     not able immediately to abrogate the observances of the Law

     once given by God, lest they gave offence to believers who

     were Jews (whereas idols, on the other hand, being

     inventions of the Devil, must be renounced by all converts).

     For this reason Paul circumcised Timothy, offered sacrifice

     in the Temple, and shaved his head at Corinth with Aquila

     and Priscilla, for no other reason than that of avoiding

     offence to the Jews. For James said to Paul: 'Thou seest,

     brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe;

     and they are all zealous of the law.' But today, as the

     Gospel spreads throughout the world, it is unnecessary and

     indeed unlawful for the faithful to be circumcised or to

     offer animals to God in sacrifice. John, following the

     custom of the Law, used to be begin the Feast of Easter on

     the evening of the fourteenth day of the first month, not

     caring whether it fell on the Sabbath or on any other day.


(Interesting here to note Wilfrid knew that John observed the

Lord's death on the "evening" of the 14th day, yes, just as Jesus

did when He observed His last one with His disciples as recorded

in the Gospels. Also note that the same old argument that if you

do "anything" from the Law of Moses you do it to appease the Jews

only. Yes, it is the old argument from the early second century

that many of these "observances" were merely "ceremonial" and

"Jewish" while the NT Gospel did away with all them and

established new days and feasts to observe. It is the original RC

Church teaching - that they, with the Pope as the line of

succession from the apostle Peter, have the authority from God to

change "the times and seasons and laws" - Keith Hunt)



     But Peter, when he preached in Rome, remembering it 

     was on the day after the Sabbath that our Lord rose from 

     the dead and gave the world the hope of resurrection, realized 

     that Easter should be kept as follows: like John, in accordance

     with the Law, he waited for moonrise on the evening of the

     fourteenth day of the first month. And if the Lord's Day,

     then called the morrow of the Sabbath, fell on the following

     day, he began to observe Easter the same evening, as we all

     do today. But, if the Lord's Day did not fall on the day following 

     the fourteenth day of the moon, but on the sixteenth, seventeenth, 

     or any other day up to the twenty-first, he waited until that day, 

     and on the Sabbath evening preceding it he began the observance 

     of the Easter Festival. 


(This is of course utterly false and a plain lie from Wilfrid,

for there is NOTHING that even comes close to proving in all

recorded history in the Christian church and its writings, even

from the so-called "church fathers" that state the apostle Peter

ever practiced or taught such a things as what Wilfrid just

stated Peter did. In all my studies over the last 40 years in

Church History, I have never read anywhere, from anyone, that

Peter practiced such an observance of the Lord's death, or

Passover, or Easter, or what ever other name you want to call

that Spring Feasts - Keith Hunt)


     This evangelical and apostolical tradition does not abrogate

     but fulfil the Law, which ordained that the Passover be kept

     between the eve of the fourteenth and twenty-first days of

     the moon of that month.


(Again, Wilfrid tries to make out that Peter's observance of the

Lord's death could be anytime BETWEEN the 14th and 21st days of

the first month in the Jewish calendar. This is all very sloppy

Biblical scholarship. For the OT or law of Moses clearly states

the Passover is on the evening of the 14th and the Feast of

Unleavened Bread is from the beginning of the 15th to the end of

the 21st day of the first month. There was NOTHING in the OT to

state you could pick ANY day between the 14th and 21st to

celebrate the "Passover" or the Lord's death. But such do people

reason who think they have the weight of all the world - where

the RC Church had gone - to back them up. It becomes easy to make

up your own "theology" as you go along. It would seem Colman just

did not have the wisdom to see the gross error Wilfrid was

teaching, or he did not have the backbone to speak up LOUDLY

against such false Biblical understanding and show that the

apostle Peter would NEVER have developed such a practice as

Wilfrid was making out that Peter did - Keith Hunt)


     And this is the custom of all successors of blessed John in

     Asia since his death and is also that of the world-wide

     Church. This is the true and only Easter to be observed by

     the faithful. 


(Hummm....sounds like the "theology" that arose in another world-

wide church, under a man named Herbert W. Armstrong - a theology

that stated, "We are the only faithful, and I, as inspired of God, 

as the leader of God's faithful, will tell you what to practice, be it 

according to the Scriptures or not" - Keith Hunt)



     It was not newly decreed by the Council Nicaea, but

     reaffirmed by it, as Church history records.


(True per se, for Easter observance in the Roman Church began in

the early 2nd century, that is why Polycarp and Polycrates, who

came after Polycarp, went to Rome to debate the Easter/Passover

date issue with their respective bishops of Rome in their life

time - Polycarp and Polycrates were bishops in Asia Minor and

practiced what was taught to them by John the apostle - a 14th

day observance of the Lord's death on the in the first month of

the Jewish calendar - Keith Hunt)



     It is quite apparent, Colman, that you follow neither the

     example of John, as you imagine, nor that of Peter, whose

     tradition you deliberately contradict. Your keeping of

     Easter agrees neither with the Law nor with the Gospel. For

     John who kept Easter in  accordance with the decrees of

     Moses, did not keep to first day after the Sabbath; this is

     not your practice, for you keep Easter between the fifteenth

     and twenty-first days of the moon, you do not, for you keep

     it between fourteenth and twentieth days of the moon. As a

     result, you often begin Easter on the evening of the

     thirteenth day, which is not mentioned in the Law. Nor did

     our Lord, the Author and Giver of the Gospels, eat the old

     Passover or institute the Sacrament of the New Testament to

     be celebrated by the Church in memory of His Passion on that

     day, but on the fourteenth. 


(Here we begin to see some of the ERRORS of the then  British

church. Over the SIX centuries they had indeed fallen away into

some error on this issue and observance of our Savior's death.

When a people do this, be it by carelessness or by any other

means, the ones who are also in error have a readily made "crack

in the wall" to further their denunciation of what truth is

remaining by those who are somewhat closer to the truth, yet also

in error on parts of that truth - Keith Hunt) 


     Furthermore, when you keep Easter, you totally exclude the

     twenty-first day, which the Law of Moses particularly

     ordered to be observed. Therefore, I repeat, you follow

     neither John nor Peter, the Law nor the Gospel, in your

     keeping of our greatest Festival.


(And it was indeed true, the British Church had wandered from the

straight and narrow way, and had so fallen into error that made

their observance of the Passover or Lord's death, neither by the

standards of the Old or New Testament- Keith Hunt)


Colman in reply said:


     Do you maintain that Anatolius, a holy man highly spoken of

     in Church history, taught contrary to the Law and the

     Gospel, when he wrote that Easter should be kept between the

     fourteenth and twentieth days of the moon? Are we to believe

     that our most revered Father Columba and his successors, men

     so dear to God, thought or acted contrary to Holy Scripture

     when they followed this custom? The holiness of many of them

     is confirmed by heavenly signs, and their virtues by

     miracles; and having no doubt that they are Saints, I shall

     never cease to emulate their lives, customs, and discipline.


(Oh my, what a wrong mindset Colman had allowed himself and

others in the British Church to wander into. It is one of the

sure ways into error, even if you have a basic truth. God can use

and even show He is using and working with, men that are not all

infallible in their beliefs and customs, God allowing them to not

see all truth on all points of His word, in their life time. God

allows this, He reveals truth as He wills, sometimes it is for

other servants of His to find more truth on things that ones

before them did not find all truth on. To put yourself into the

mindset as what Colman had put himself into, is to surely trip up

and fall on your face as you basically try to hold to the faith

once delivered to the saints - Keith Hunt)


     It is well established that Anatolius was a most holy,

     learned, and praiseworthy man,answered Wilfrid; but how can

     you claim his authority when you do not follow his

     directions? For he followed the correct rule about Easter,

     and observed a cycle of nineteen years; but either you do

     not know of this general custom of the Christian Church, or

     else you ignore it. He calculated the fourteenth day of the

     moon at Easter according to the Egyptian method, counting it

     in the evening as the fifteenth day; similarly, he assigned

     the twentieth to Easter Sunday, regarding it after sunset as

     the twenty-first day. But it appears that you do not realize

     this distinction, since you sometimes keep Easter before

     full moon, that is, on the thirteenth day. And with regard

     to your Father Columba and his followers, whose holiness you

     claim to imitate and whose rules and customs you claim to

     have been supported by heavenly signs, I can only say that

     when many shall say to our Lord at the day of judgement:

     "Have we not prophesied in Thy name, and cast out devils,

     and done many wonderful works?" the Lord will reply, "I

     never knew you." Far be it from me to apply these words to

     your fathers; for it is more just to believe good rather

     than evil of those whom one does not know. So I do not deny

     that they were true servants of God and dear to Him, and

     that they loved Him in primitive simplicity but in devout

     sincerity. Nor do I think that their ways of keeping Easter

     were seriously harmful so long as no one came to show them a

     more perfect way to follow.   Indeed, I feel certain that,

     if any Catholic reckoner had come to them, they would

     readily have accepted his guidance, as we know that they

     readily observed such of God's ordinances as they already

     knew. 



(A great deal of "savvy" as we say used here by Wilfrid. He knew

the British Church had errors and mistakes in their observance of

when to observe the Lord's death. He could see the contradictions

in their "theological approach" to the issue, and with some

"kind" psychological charm, could make the debate swing

favourably in his Roman Catholic Church's direction to all those

listening to this debate. By using their weakest links Wilfrid

could then bring out the pomposity of the Church of Rome being

superior in Biblical understanding. Where truth is not fully

followed, or where there is no more "growing in grace and

knowledge" but only a looking to the outside of "men's lives" as

Colman had done towards some of his great men of God from the

past ages in his British Church, it is the surest way to destroy

what truth there might be remaining, as in this instance, for the

Church of Rome did finally succeed in implanting their observance

of Easter and Sunday all over the British Isles, over the next 3

or 4 centuries - Keith Hunt)


     But you and your colleagues are most certainly guilty of sin

     if you reject the indeed of the Apostolic See, indeed of the

     universal Church, which are confirmed by Holy Writ. For,

     although your Fathers were holy men, do you imagine that

     they, a few men in a corner of a remote island, are to be

     preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout

     the world? And even if your Columba - or, may I say, ours

     also if he was the servant of Christ - was a Saint potent in

     miracles, can he take precedence before the most blessed

     Prince of the Apostles, to whom our Lord said: "Thou art

     Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the

     gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and I will give

     unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven"?


(Now, Wilfrid thought it was the right time to bring in the upper

cut to the jaw of Colman. He now knew that Colman was not much of

a debater and did not have the understanding of the Scriptures to

cause any "come-back" with what he was now going to throw up to

him. He knew he could now hit him below the belt, with this final

discourse he hurdled out to him and everyone standing by - Keith

Hunt)


When Wilfrid had ended, the king asked: 


     Is it true, Colman, that these words were spoken to that

     Peter by our Lord?' 


He answered: 


     It is true, Your Majesty.


Then the king said: 


     Can you show that a similar authority was given to your

     Columba?


     No, replied Colman. 


     Do you both agree, (the king continued), that these words

     were indisputably addressed to Peter in the first place, and

     that our Lord gave him the keys of the kingdom of heaven?


Both answered 'We do.' 


At this, the king concluded: 


     Then, I tell you, Peter is guardian of the gates of heaven,

     and I shall not contradict him. I shall obey his commands in

     everything to the best of my knowledge and ability;

     otherwise, when I come to the gates of heaven, there may be

     no one to open them, because he who holds the keys has

     turned away.


When the king said this, all present, both high and low,

signified their agreement and, abandoning their imperfect

customs, hastened to adopt those which they had learned to be

better.


                              ..............


So it was, the part truth that the British Church had on

celebrating the death of our Lord Jesus, was mainly abandoned

from that day forward. It was to be another 500 years before the

7th day Sabbath of the British Church was finally extinguished

from Britain. Many small pockets of people in the hills and

valley of Wales and Scotland, held on to this truth, but the day

did come when the nation was fully drunk with the wine of the

spiritual fornication of the Woman who rode the beast (Revelation

17) - Keith Hunt


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