LUTHER - CALVIN - PREDESTINATION.....what they taught!!

THE  FOLLOWING  COMES  FROM  ONE  OF  THE  LECTURES  GIVEN  BY  PROFESSOR  CARY  ON  "LUTHER"  FROM  THE  TEACHING  COMPANY.


PREDESTINATION  AS  TAUGHT  BY  LUTHER


IT  FIRST  CAME  TO  PROMINENCE   WITH  AUGUSTINE.

BUT  LUTHER  AND  CALVIN  FULLY  AGREED!!

GOD  SAVES  BY  GRACE.... GOD  CALLS  YES;  WE  CHOOSE,  STILL  FREE  WILL..... WE  DO  CHOOSE,  YES  but......

GOD'S  GRACE  MAKES  US  CHOOSE,  NOT  ME  SAYS  LUTHER,  IT  IS  UP  TO  GOD  WHO  MAKES  US  CHOOSE.

SO  IT  GOES  BACK  TO  "ELECTION"  -  A  CHOICE  BY  A  HIDDEN  GOD,  WHO  HAS  DECIDED  HOW  HE  WILL  DISTRIBUTE  HIS  GRACE,  AND  TO  WHOM,  WAY  WAY BEFORE  THE  FOUNDATION  OF  THE  EARTH.

THE  EXAMPLE  GIVEN  BY  AUGUSTINE  IS  LIKE  THAT  BETWEEN  JACOB  AND  ESAU.  

BOTH  ON  EQUAL  FOOTING.  BOTH  UNWORTHY.  BOTH  UNDESERVING.  BOTH  BORN  IN  SIN,  BOTH  SINNERS.  GOD  SAYS  I  WILL  SAVE  JACOB  BUT  ESAU  I  WILL  NOT.  GOD  DECIDES:  JACOB  GETS  MERCY,  ESAU  DOES  NOT;  BOTH  BORN  IN  SIN,  BOTH  SINNERS.  ESAU  IS  NOT  BEING  DEALT  WITH  UNJUSTLY,  AS  HE  DESERVES  WHAT  HE  GETS,  AS  A  SINNER.  GETS  NOTHING  MORE  OR NOTHING  LESS THAN  WHAT  HE  DESERVES.  JACOB  GETS  MORE  THAN  WHAT  HE  DESERVES;  HE  GETS  GRACE.

THIS  BOTHERS  LUTHER  NOT  AT  ALL.... GOD  IS  SOVEREIGN   OVER  ALL.  THE  OPEN  GOD  SAYS  THIS  PERSON  GETS  SAVED,  THE  HIDDEN  GOD  SAYS  THIS  PERSON  DOES  NOT.

IT  IS  A  TEACHING  OF  ELECTION..... HOW  GOD  DISTRIBUTES  GRACE.

IT  IS  AN  UNEQUAL  DISTRIBUTION  SAYS  AUGUSTINE [LUTHER  AND  CALVIN  AGREED]  BUT  NOT  UNJUST.

LUTHER  AND  CALVIN  FULLY  AGREED.  GOD  DECIDED  BEFOREHAND  WHO  WILL  BE  SAVED  AND  WHO  WILL  NOT  BE  SAVED.

THEY  [AUGUSTINE,  LUTHER,  CALVIN]  ANSWER.... WHY.... WE  DO  NOT  KNOW  WHY  GOD  CHOOSES  THIS  ONE  AND  REJECTS  THAT  ONE.  AUGUSTINE  SITES  THE  LAST  VERSE  OF  ROMANS  11.

LUTHER  SAYS:   IT  IS  FAITH  AS  TO  WHY  GOD  CHOOSES  OR  SAVES  SO  FEW,  AND  DAMNS  SO  MANY.  GOD  SEEMS  TO  DELIGHT  IN  THE  TORMENT  OF  SO  MANY.  IT  IS  A  LOGIC  PROBLEM  AND  CONTRADICTION.  REASON  CANNOT  FIGURE  IT.  BUT  WE  HAVE  TO  GO  WITH  FAITH.  WHO  WOULD  NOT  BE  OFFENDED.  I  WAS  OFFENDED.  BUT  WE  LOOK  AROUND  AND  SOME  GOOD  PEOPLE  SUFFER  AND  EVIL  PEOPLE  PROSPER.  SO  FAITH,  THE  LIGHT  OF  GRACE..... LIGHT  OF  GLORY  -  WE  SHALL  SEE  AND  UNDERSTAND  HEREAFTER.

LUTHER  SAID  IT  WAS  NOT  A  GOOD  THING  TO  THINK  TOO  OFTEN  ABOUT  THE  SUBJECT  OF  PREDESTINATION.
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HE  LIKE  CALVIN,  DID  BELIEVE  GOD  HAS  CHOSEN  TO  CONDEMN  WAY  WAY  MORE  THAN  HE  HAS  DECIDED  TO  SAVE.

THE  FACTS  ARE  BOTH  THESE  GUYS  LIKE  AUGUSTINE,  TAUGHT  AND  BELIEVED,  GOD  HAS  DECIDED  BEFORE  THE  FOUNDATION  OF  THE  EARTH  WHO  WILL  BE  SAVED  AND  WHO  WILL  BE  LOST.  AND  WITH  THEIR  THEOLOGY  THAT  MEANT  THE  UNSAVED  OR  DAMNED  WOULD  LIVE  IN  THE TORMENT  OF  HELL  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY.

ANY  REASONABLE  THINKING  PERSON  WOULD  BELIEVE  THIS  ALL  TO  BE  THE  CRAZIEST  CHRISTIAN  TEACHING  OF  ALL  TIME.

ANY  PERSON  READING  THEIR  BIBLE  FROM  COVER  TO  COVER  WOULD  ALSO  SEE  THIS  IS  A  SILLY  AND  CRAZY  TEACHING.  THEY  WOULD  SEE  PLAIN  SIMPLE  TO  UNDERSTAND  VERSES  THAT  WOULD  BLOW  THIS  DOCTRINE  TO  A  MILLION  PIECES.

I  HAVE  EXPOUNDED  THIS  "PREDESTINATION"  TEACHING  FOR  YOU  ON  MY  WEBSITE.

MANY  CHRISTIAN  PEOPLE  TODAY  STILL  BELIEVE  WHAT  AUGUSTINE,  LUTHER AND  CALVIN  TAUGHT;  OR  THEY  DO  NOT  KNOW  HOW  TO  UNDERSTAND  IT.

YOU  CAN  UNDERSTAND  IT!  MY  STUDY  ARTICLE  EXPLAINS  TO  YOU  THE  TRUTH  OF  THE  MATTER.

THIS  IS  JUST  ONE  POINT  OF  WHY  LUTHER  WAS  NOT  FROM  GOD.  HIS  COMMENT  ABOUT  THE  BOOK  OF  JAMES [HE  SAID  IT  WAS: AN  EPISTLE  OF  STRAW]  IS  ANOTHER  POINT  AS  TO  WHY  THIS  "REFORMATION  MAN"  WAS  NOT  FROM  GOD.
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