Noah's Flood - Universal? #6
In search of Noah's ark continued
NOAH'S FOOD A RE-VISITED Part six Written and Compiled by Keith Hunt I was at Sabbath services (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) this December 25th 2004. The invited guest speaker from the USA was talking in part about Noah's Ark. His sincerity I do not question. He gave us a "hand-out" on what was supposed to be modern "proof positive" of the "discovered" Noah's ark. Here below was the hand-out of, please note carefully, a press-release dated June 11, 2000. Quote: PRESS RELEASE Kherem La Yah Press: Vista, California 92084 USA For immediate release June 11, 2000 NOAH's ARK and CITY Two major International expeditions are now forming for exploration of a recent discovery of Noah's long-lost city of "Naxuan." Discovered by an independent researcher and author, David Allen Deal of Vista, California in July of 1997. Deal utilized a technique called "photogrammetry," studying a Turkish Air Force aerial mapping photograph taken in 1959 that showed Noah's ark remains in a mudflow at the 6,200 foot level. Deal first discovered the original touchdown point, 2 kilometres farther up the mudflow from the ark which had, in the distant past, slid down to a 1,200 foot lower elevation. It was by enlarging this military, high-resolution photograph 20 times that the building foundations and graves began to become visible. Deal immediately notified Professor M. Salih Bayraktutan of Noah's Ark High Commission in Turkey which set all the recent research into motion. Deal and several others from a newly-formed research project based at Ataturk University in Erzurum, called SEPDAC (Search for Early Post-Diluvial Anatolian Cultures) travelled to the site in 1998 and again in 1999 to confirm the discovery. This team included Dr. Bayraktutan and Professor Robert Michelson of Georgia Tech. Indeed, ancient cultural remains and house foundations were identified adjacent to the Iranian border near Dogubavazit, Turkey, in the mountains that lie just south of Mt. Ararat at 7,400 feet above sealevel. Three human ribs were removed from one of millions of graves there, which are now awaiting radiometric dating to confirm age. This ancient lost-city had been the first center of civilization and later became a necropolis for the entire ancient world. The second city called "Seron" by Armenian historian, Moses of Chronensis, "the first city of dispersion" was also identified in 1997 by Deal, near the ark's last resting place. Dr. Ekrem Akurgal of Izmir, a noted archaeologist of high repute in Turkey, after being informed via e-mail by Deal last April of his recently confirmed discovery, became interested in the site and is presently mounting an international expedition of some 60 archaeologists and amateur-archaeologists from around the world, including Japan and the United States. This scientific effort is set for June 23-26 of this year. The expedition is planning sub-surface studies and possible excavation of the ark of Noah, a 538-foot-long earthen-mold of the now-long-decayed ship. Work on Naxuan is also planned to confirm the site. It has also been announced that Bayraktutan will conduct his own study this July with a 10-man team of American experts, through a Press Release (Dogan News Agency, Erzurum). This archaeological expedition is intended to demonstrate to the world that the ancient city of Noah, recently discovered by Mr. Deal, actually exists and has been tentatively confirmed by satellite imagery. The ark of Noah impression lies close-at-hand in the Tendruck mountains of eastern Turkey. This site, Naxuan (meaning Noah's capitol) is probably one of the singular most important archaeological discoveries of all time. http://www.noahsark-naxuan.com/5.htm 11/14/00 End quote Now did you notice that certain remains of humans were to be specially dated with radiometric dating. now this was way back in 2000 when the press release was sent out. Have you HEARD ANYTHING in any serious way about the "dates" of these supposed humans, that obviously the press release is wanting you to believe these human remains were back in Noah's day, or they would hope were very close to whatever they believe was the time of Noah and shortly after. I have heard NOTHING in religious circles or world news to support that this find (if it is true at all, in the first place, and I will say more of "truth" reporting shortly) as being proved to be of humans at or close to the time of Noah. Did you notice the claim is that Noah's ark "slid down" 1,200 feet. Where on earth is the proof of that statement, which they would like you to accept as fact? The press release gives some photos that you are to accept as being the "shape" and "size" of Noah's ark. both ends are pointed, one more than the other. If I had been given these photos WITHOUT first being told they were photos of Noah' ark, I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT they were land impressions of Noah's ark. We do not even KNOW if Noah's ark was pointed at the bow or stern. The bible gives us NO clue as to the shape of the ark at the front or the end of it. It was to FLOAT, and hence not intended to move from one specific point on earth to another far distant point, or have to navigate in any particular direction. So, there was no need for Noah to have to build the ark in any "pointed" shape, either in the front or the back. Again, if the photos were shown to you WITHOUT anyone telling you they were photos of Noah' ark, there is nothing in them to immediately justify you believing this is a land impression left by the ark of Noah. But once that notion is in the mind, it is easy for the mind to go out looking for a shape in the ground, on the mountains of Ararat, and when anything close to that "mind's view" (coupled with a certain "theological" view) is seen, it is not far for the mind to jump to a conclusion that yes, you have found the shape of Noah's ark in the mud of some mountain in the Ararat chain of mountains. And did you NOTICE, that certain people (with fancy sounding titles) were to go to this sure Noah's ark find land impression spot ... IN THE YEAR 2000!! The whole story goes back to 1997, and even way before, a photo given as taken in 1948 of this supposed ground shape of Noah's ark (and they admit it is only ground shape, for as admitted, the ark has long since decayed. I HAVE HEARD NOTHING from any of these distinguished scientists, or from any serious religious source, or any trustworthy world news-casts, or reporters, that what they went to discover in 2000 did indeed turn out to be Noah's ark, with concrete proof backing it all up. AND ALL THIS HAS BEEN FIVE YEARS AGO, very near!!! The size of the ark is given as 538 feet long. Now this length up till recently was a good deal longer than what most Biblical scholars would give as the cubits given in the book of Genesis. So what did the presenter of this lecture present? He said that they went to Egypt, from where Moses was (who wrote the book of genesis) and said they found that in some form in Egypt at Moses time, a cubit could have been 25 inches in length, hence right on the button for this ground impression in the mud. The same for the width. I have already presented to you that facts really are that nobody knows the exact length in inches of the cubit in Moses age, and certainly not Noah's age. Do "religious" people at times make up stories, and report them, publish them, as IF IT IS REALLY SOLID FACT, the REAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER? Sorry to say to you that INDEED THEY DO, at times, in SOME circles of the Bible believing world. About 20 years ago, in the 80s, it was reported by some AS FACT, that the stones to build the end-time temple in Jerusalem, were cut and standing in a USA shipping dock, ready to be shipped over to Israel, so the Jerusalem Temple could be built. The WHOLE THING WAS A PACK OF LIES!! There NEVER HAD BEEN any stones cut or moved to a dock on the USA to be shipped over to the land of Israel, to build ANYTHING, let alone a Temple in Jerusalem. We are now just ready to turn the corner into 2005, and nearly FIVE years has gone by since this press-release. It is sad to say that I must take all this as either another failed attempt to find Noah's ark, or worst still, as a complete fabrication and outright deception and plain lies. If anyone out there can present to me the concrete factual proof that this last effort from 1997 to the present HAS INDEED come home with historical and physical facts that this shape in the mud and rocks is indeed the impression left by the resting Ark of Noah on a mountain in Ararat, Turkey, then I'm willing to listen. But you better have mighty strong proof, to show me that Noah's ark was pointed at both ends, and was indeed 538 feet in length. As well as answer the other arguments present here in favor of a REGIONAL flood and NOT a world-wide flood. Now I'll get back to more presentations from the last chapter on Noah's Flood by Ralph Woodrow in his book on the subject. He relates how it was not until the fourth century A.D. that Mount Ararat (called Mount Massis by the Armenians and Agri-Dagi by the Turks) became deemed as the resting place for Noah's Ark. And he says that "Christianity Today" once quoted the renowned archaeologist Dr.William F. Albright as saying that there is NO Biblical basis for the claim that Mount Ararat is where the ark settled. Woodrow correctly points out that the word translated "mountain" in the Bible does not automatically mean a mountain of great height, for the same Hebrew word is often translated "hill." It is number 2022 in Strong's Concordance of the Bible. It simply means an "elevation" with no automatic built in "super high" anything. We are simply not given the height of the mountain on which the ark came to rest. It would seem God did not think it important enough to mention, hence the idea that the flood waters covered Mount Everest is just not included in the relating of the events by Moses when he wrote the first five books of the Bible. Woodrow points out that Mount Ararat does have some very unpleasant nature and weather high up towards its top. He asks the question of how thousands of tiny and large animals (some just not made for climbing down such a rugged and hostile climate as found up on Mount Ararat. Of course the common answer from Christian world-wide flood advocates would be that Ararat was not rugged or did not have such a harsh climate, when the animals and creeping things came out from the ark, or, that God worked a miracle and suspended the harsh climate and made sure the pair of spiders etc. managed to make it down and reproduce without dying in the attempt to repopulated the world with millions of spiders. Again the argument would be that the snow and ice from the 14,000 foot level and up on Ararat did not exist at that time of Noah, and it has all come to be with climate changes since the time after Noah. Against such an argument there is really no answer, yet at the same time those who would hold such an argument cannot prove their argument either. Why did Noah send out a dove to test how the waters were abating? If he was high up over the top of Ararat, which is about 17,000 feet, surely he had a "bird's eye view" of how the waters were abating from off the planet. Then again the dove bringing back an olive leave .... well olives trees grow at a much lower level than anywhere near the height of Ararat. So by the time the dove brought back the olive leave Noah should have had a great view of the mountains around him. And how did the olive tree manage to grow so quickly after the earth had been covered with water above Everest for about a year. Even supposing the argument that such great mountains like Everest did not exist at Noah's time, it still makes for a miracle like event for an olive tree to have grown so quickly, but I guess with God nothing is impossible, if He really did want vegetation to spring back to life overnight so to speak, He could command it and it would be done. From the Genesis account, if Noah was high above Everest or Ararat (supposing Ararat was the highest mountain on earth at that time), then the waters abated down to where olive trees were growing in SEVEN days. Of course "the miracle" answer answers it all as some would have it. As Woodrow has said in his book, there are MANY difficulties concerning Noah's flood, if we hold that it was a world-wide flood, but many if not most of these difficulties are cleared up when we hold to the thought of a "local or regional" flood. Many of the well-known Bible Commentaries and Bible Encyclopedias have long ago abandoned the idea and thought of a world-wide Noah's flood. When I take all things into consideration I also must agree that Noah's flood was probably a REGIONAL flood and not a flood that covered the whole planet earth. THERE WAS A UNIVERSAL FLOOD!! But it was NOT at Noah's time! The Bible teaches that the earth was created beautiful and not is chaos, the angels sang for joy at the wonderful created earth. When we are brought on the scene in Genesis 1:1-2 the earth is covered with water, and there is no life whatsoever, either in the waters or the land under the waters. There was a world of Dinosaurs - they covered the earth. There were great and mighty flying creatures in that world. There was great and mighty sea creatures in that world. There were great and mighty plant, trees, shrubs. That world was wiped out SUDDENLY and with MIGHTY force!! There was a time in the distant past when there was a WAR in the heavens and at least in our near solar system. Satan and his angels fought against God and His angels. The scares of this battle are clearly seen on the moon and places like Mars. Jesus tells us in the Gospels that He saw Satan fall from heaven as like lightening. He and his angels who became demons, were cast down. They were allowed by God to DESTROY AND BRING HAVOC on this earth, so violent and sudden it was that the whole world of the Dinosaurs was destroyed, some covered so quickly with the chaos of water and mud, that they were preserved whole and in some cases with the food they were eating in their mouths and stomachs. It was the time of violence so mighty that whole coal bed seams were created, as well as oil, natural gas, and other rich deposits such as diamonds were created. The strata we see in the huge Canadian Rockies and other great mountain ranges of the world were formed, and when God brought the dry land from the seas, in Genesis one, we see the strata in many open face mighty rock mountains of today. Geology shows there was a violent world-wide earth upheaval. The Bible shows all was covered with water and from that life-less planet God created what we read about in Genesis chapters one and two. God allowed this destruction to come upon what was created beautiful, for from it He would create His master-piece of creation. He would create a world for the human kind to live, who He designed in the form of Himself, to became like Himself, to share in the God life of existence. He now desired to have children born to Himself. This plan a reproducing Himself and so the whole plan of salvation for the mortal human kind, is fully expounded upon on this Website. Yes, some huge creatures were created with mankind, creatures now extinct, which were very similar to some Dinosaurs of the previous age. The one mentioned in the book of Job can hardly be thought of as any being that lives in the land and seas today. Hence some human footprints found with Dinosaur type footprints in some strata. We have some creatures preserved from the Dinosaur age that would have been like those of our humankind age. God is able, if He wishes to create the same type of creature in ANY age, the age before man and the age after man. PLEASE NOTE The belief that Noah's flood was universal or regional is NOT a test of salvation. Which ever way you want to believe about the story of Noah as to the size of the flood, is not a salvation issue. We do know that Noah is said to have been a preacher of RIGHTEOUSNESS, - he served and obeyed the ways of the true God of heaven above. He was SAVED by God's GRACE, and will be in that resurrection of the saints, upon the return of Jesus Christ to this earth. THAT is the MAIN point of the story of Noah. RIGHTEOUSNESS will LIVE, sin and unrighteousness will DIE. So is the plan of God. Keith Hunt ............... Entered on this Website January 2005 |
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